The 3 career years have me stumped. The best association I can make is 1799 being the same year Place Des Vosges in France was named, which was also the name of place in New York the courier passed on a package early in the ARG (now Cafe Bene). Seems like too much of a coincidence.
It’s always possible the other numbers will become more relevant as we progress through the ARG…
In No Man’s Sky, patterns of numbers must be solved in order to decode distress messages. So I’ve felt that 1799-1802-1808 might represent a pattern. The numbers separating them are 3 and 6, so the fourth number could either be 1811 (by adding 3 again), 1817 (if the increment goes up by three every time, e.g. 3+3, 6+3), or 1820 (if the increment is doubled every time… 3x2=6, 6x2=12). However I wasn’t able to find any smoking gun event that happened in any of those years. I always tried converting these sets of four numbers to hex for use as a NMS coordinate, but they weren’t valid.
Well, technically NMS only needs X/Y/Z coords, so there would be no need for a 4th.
The 3 given are no coords either though.
I’m also fairly sure they’re not meant to be years, since a year is not really a message. Since we don’t have an active glyph, this isn’t supposed to yield a password or code, so that suggests that whatever the outcome of the numbers is, it should either be usable as a link, a text, or indeed, coords or other forms of reference to a specific place where we can learn more about something. (Or perhaps get something out of the search box on that echo-64.)
I wonder if Hamlet has anything to do with unlocking the next step in the game. How many different ways does 1799-1802-1808 relate to Hamlet?
There are 3834 lines in Hamlet according to Server error
I wonder if we could find the lines correlating to these numbers? Or better yet, if we could find the syllables correlating to them assuming the iambic pentameter?
Indeed Hamlet seems to be a lose end. There however is not a scene 7 8 or 9, so at the very least 1974 and 1799 cannot be references to act/scene numbers in their current form.
If we want to relate things to page numbers we’d need to know an exact edition. and ISBN number would be 10 or 13 digits, none of those have been found yet and can’t be formed by adding and of the known numbers to another either as far as I’ve been able to determine.
So that might mean we need another way to look at these numbers.
Then there is also the 84.190.188 code, which may or may not be an RGB code (the RGB acronym could also just be a random thing and the number could mean anything else). But either way, it’s another lose end.
I’m sorry you seem to think I’ve got some sort of inside knowledge, because I don’t. It’s frustrating to me, a lot of people seem to think if I point something out then it’s got to be important, but that not the case! I’m learning and investigating alongside everyone else, the only difference is that I’m trying to maintain these forums so folks can share ideas at the same time
Oh. I didn’t mean to be frustrating. I sincerely apologize.
I just assumed you were involved somehow. I remembered the hamlet quote you shared in Orbit’s interview. Are you a student of Shakespeare?
What are your thoughts on the possible correlation to the pastebin link and the number 1799-1802-1808? The lines from the link were 1350 and 51 I believe. I wonder if there is a connection somehow. A hidden message on the pages of Hamlet…
I was just trying to make a reference to that clue we had found, and I thought it was pretty on the nose with what I had been trying to get across. I read Hamlet in high school, but I had been looking at quotes trying to make a connection before the interview
I feel like there’s something there, but I always think that! I’m always going to encourage you guys to look closer, even if it winds up being nothing we can at least rule things out, right?
Yup yup! We’ve been looking into Hamlet, but gosh, it’s hard to find anything that ties to WT with so many similarities and links Dx
Shota, right…what I did was take all of the possible four “year” sets, put them together, and tried to convert each to hex. But they were one character longer than the valid NMS coordinate format. So that was a dead end.
Regarding the Shakespeare line numbers, as I mentioned in one of the million threads we have now, the line numbers unfortunately change depending on the edition you look at. So the Act and Scene numbers are the only reliable ones.
@Emily, well you did a great job on the coordinate clue and always have good insights, so I guess people just think you’re one step ahead and waiting for everyone else to catch up.
points at Emily SCRRREEEEEeeeeeee…
Don’t worry Emily…you are just a “Front Runner” with information and everyone suspects front runners as being “in the know.” Happens all the time.
Look how Onion’s name became “Orion” and how Matt’s presence on Discord has morphed into “Matt the Hatter”. (oops, sorry Matt, forgot that was a secret!)
I suspect people who consistently come up with correct answers…they are feeding us crumbs to help us follow. Who knows, maybe I Am Spartacus! -)
TQQdles™
No, I am Spartacus!
The edition shouldn’t matter. The only differences I have seen are whether the publisher decides to number lines through the whole play, or reset after each Act and Scene. There are also other ways to count… like finding the 1799th word, or the 1802nd syllable.
For example here is the 1799th line run through an ascii converter:
text: My lord?
Hex: 4d 79 20 6c 6f 72 64 3f
Dec: 77 121 32 108 111 114 100 63
Sources
http://www.asciitohex.com/
Hamlet, Act III, Scene 1 :|: Open Source Shakespeare
Not to get too far into the weeds here, but the line numbers in Shakespearean texts change from source to source depending on the typesetting of the particular edition. I think some editions have also taken liberties with the verse as compared with the First Folio: Why are the line numbers different? - PlayShakespeare.com Blog
for example:
Perhaps if we stick to the original text and just count words, maybe that’s something to keep in mind. I hesitate to cut off any avenues at this point. But I think depending on the line numbers is problematic.
This was helpful. Thank you. I see your point…
Ok, I am using this (http://opensourceshakespeare.org/views/plays/playmenu.php?WorkID=hamlet) as a source, and I am counting all the words, including names and stage instructions.
I am assuming a Fibonacci sequence starting with 3… 3, 3, 6, 9, 15, 24, 39, 63, 102, etc.
This yields, adding one upon the other, the sequence we see in 1799, 1802, 1808, …
+3, +6, +12, +21, +36, +60, +99, +162, +264, …
I added 1350 and 1351 in just for fun, for Emily’s sake
_1350 = eastward
_1351 = hill
_1799 = that
_1802 = be
_1808 = the
_1820 = instrumental
_1841 = lord
_1877 = bend
_1937= hour
This should be our stopping point because everything else is 1974+. But just for fun… here are three more… we could go through to the end of the play if anyone is interested…
_2036 = passing
_2198 = course
_2462 = tell
Thoughts?
Might be it’s not a sequence, but just a set of numbers. The 1799, 1802 an 1808 are the numbers we actually have, and while the words are generic, they’re not garbage. I’d be interested to see what 1974 itself actually is.
Other possible numbers of interest could be 84, 190 and 188.
As well as the dates listed on the history page.
Also, be sure (if you copy/pasted the text from there into a counting program of sorts), that it doesn’t include either the numbers or the “previous scene” texts.
Other than that, good job coulding them out.
Here are the words you are interested in…
_1974 = that
_84 = good
_190 = but
_188 = says
_2009 = on
_2012 = not
_2015 = with
_2016 = thy
_2017 = vailed (take off a hat to show respect)
The words only include stage instructions, names of characters, and dialog. Not line numbers, acts, scenes, or any other superfluous text from the site. Here is a sample from the beginning of the play…
“Enter two Sentinels-[first,] Francisco, [who paces up and down at his post; then] Bernardo, [who approaches him].
Bernardo. Who’s there?
Francisco. Nay, answer me. Stand and unfold yourself.
Bernardo. Long live the King!
Francisco. Bernardo?
5
Bernardo. He.
Francisco. You come most carefully upon your hour.
Bernardo. 'Tis now struck twelve. Get thee to bed, Francisco.
Francisco. For this relief much thanks. 'Tis bitter cold,
And I am sick at heart.
10”
I am using a c# program. It is very simple. Here is the code if you are interested:
var s = @“insert text here”;
var words = s.Split(’ ');
var _1974 = words[1973];
I use a debugger to see the value of word indexes, but it would be easy to output to a console like this:
Console.WriteLine(_1974);
Spotted this, Hamlet by numbers probably not overly useful but as our focus is this play… One thing to note is that ‘Act Two, Scene Two is the longest of its kind in the Canon (544 lines)’