Pre-next base in 5 day old planet?

personally I like the “idea” of linux. It’s just not practical for me. Plus I hate anything to do with command line crap. Any tools that require command line, I always end up making a GUI so I can be more efficient / lazy.

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Completely agree. There’s an attitude amongst some people that “real” computer users employ the command line. I wonder if these guys still make their own stone axes?

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No, we write a script to do that for us :crazy_face:

I really don’t have to patience to use a GUI for most things. Most things that I do need to be repeated, and usually on a few dozen up to 40,000 computers so handling them one at a time isn’t fun. Even if it just runs on my own personal computer, I automate most things so I don’t have to click, click, … GUIs do have their place in my world, CAD, CAM, 3d modeling etc wasn’t efficient when we had to write it out as math formulas (anyone remember POV-Ray? Spice circuit simulator?). I like GUIs for infrequent tasks, but want something scriptable for everything else.

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bah, Scipting can be done with anything. I still prefer launch click single button that runs whatever than typing out commands each time, scripted or not.

Everyone has preferences of course.

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Oh, yeah. I was once a command line geek. I even created for a client a 3.5" diskette package that led a user through totally setting up a new computer and needed office software. It used only DOS commands and a small ANSI screen draw app.

I don’t want those days to come back! :grin:

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You don’t need to remember POV-Ray - you can try Ffmpeg, right now. You can try remembering an impossibly huge jumble of incompatible standards and settings - or you can use a nice, neat, GUI (there are lots) that will do all the remembering for you.

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I remember having a lot of fun with POV-ray on my Windoze 3.1.1 “Peabrain” computer, the first computer I built myself from spare parts… But now I can’t remember anything about it. :roll_eyes:

I would say it was due to old age, but I’ve always had a terrible memory.

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my first…non tape drive computer was a ibm 286 with 40mb hard drive lol

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You need a couple of extra likes for that one :slight_smile: :heart: :heart: But I’ve never found a GUI that did what I needed so I just stick with the basics, as infrequently as I can. I guess I do use it from Blender, even so I just leave it at the default. Not only is the command line for that one impossibly large, it is order dependent and dependent on what modules are compiled in. :nauseated_face:

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That’s kinda weird though. I definitely never had trouble with getting Ubuntu to run. Whenever I needed it, it did just work…

It’s not so much that I think you have to use the command line, it’s that I find it to be extremely practical. When I need to change a setting in windows and I don’t know how or where it is, I have to follow instructions to click myself through a series of submenus that might not be there any longer, may have been renamed, or the system I’m working on may be in a different language than the tutorial in which case it all becomes guesswork anyways.
With the commandline, I can just copy complex instructions out of there, paste them into the console, and voila… Well, not always voila I’ll admit, but for simple things like change a setting or something, it’s so much easier than with a UI, because all you essentially have to do is run a short program that someone else already wrote for you.
There’s certain security issues with that, obviously, and quite frankly I’m surprised that there seem to be no phishing sites offering fake linux tutorials that do I don’t know what to your machine, because honestly, half of the time half of us don’t even read what we’re pasting in there and running with admin priviledges… :grimacing:

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Oh, Ubuntu itself runs OK. It’s the software packages that don’t.

Ever since I started fooling around with Linux (Red Hat, back in the 1990s), it was always possible to get the kernel program running. The problem was always the applications, and their nightmare dependencies.

As @Dragonsire has pointed out, the “idea” of Linux is very attractive - a free and open OS that anyone can use. It’s true that, given time, a sufficiently enthusiastic and knowledgeable devotee can usually coax some sort of functionality out of any flavour of Linux - but who wants to expend the time and effort?

For many years Ubuntu got round that problem by having a carefully curated selection of applications and software packages - they were all tested for both usability and security, and certified to run on the current Ubuntu build. That was Ubuntu’s Unique Selling Point -“Linux that actually works!”. Sadly, it seems it’s no longer true.

Much of the software I’ve installed from the Ubuntu depository doesn’t work. Blender refuses to load at all. LMMS starts up for a few seconds, then crashes. Gimp gets slower and slower, then quits. There’s a load of others. All these apps ran fine on the same computer under Windows 7 - the only things that have changed are the hard disk and the OS.

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It’s not that bad. I mean, the new generation of macs are running on an ARM cpu, and it’s beating the daylights out of both Intel and AMD. That’s so cool, I still can’t quite get over it…

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