I have a capable PC and still prefer PS4 but that’s entirely besides the point…you can’t log into a game account while being logged into a PSN account without both collecting some information about each other…because a) that’s just the world we live in(if you think they collect zero info about your steam account you kid yourself), and b) because it’s extremely convenient…after the first login the PS4 will never require you to remember login info for a game account…ever…you can go for years and decades and use the same game account and you’ll never need to remember login info for it. I play on both a very competent PC and PS4 and I don’t deal with the former unless I have to, hell I own NMS on PC as well…I could literally switch to playing it on my PC whenever I felt like it…so no the mere thought of PSN and PS+ aren’t ludicrous to a PC user.
Oh sure they do, but that’s not what I’m getting at.
All I’m saying is to say that this convenience could be achieved without the PSN account having to share its data, if you wanted to. Though it does only apply to games that provide their own user accounts, as Fortnite does. That is the reason why the Fortnite story blew up as much as it did. If Sony would have done nothing, at least sharing the epic account on multiple platforms would have been possible (not necessarily cross-play, that depends on how much Fortnite has to rely on system native APIs for match-making, which I know nothing about). But they spent extra effort to make even account sharing impossible. That just shows how adamant Sony is about the whole thing.
At the end of the day, all I’m really saying is: If anyone is holding out hope for Sony to reverse its policy anytime soon, don’t bother. It’s not going to happen, and it’s not because of technical difficulties, it’s simply because Sony thinks it’s better for business this way.
It technically could be achieved without having to collect info about your gaming network account but that’s not the point…because that’s not how things work…so Sony doesn’t let them transfer that information to other networks. If no PSN user info was involved I doubt Sony would even care…they have allowed cross-play plenty in the past…they’re not inherently against cross play. It’s a situation where Fortnite isn’t going to be changed to work differently and Sony won’t let them take PSN user info elsewhere…and user info security IS HUGE for Sony…they got hacked about a decade ago and everyone’s PSN accounts were compromised so right now they’re probably being extra cautious.
Which in this case they wouldn’t have to. Fortnite uses a third party account. When you try to log into that account from another system, It’s the Epic server that has to reject the request. The epic account knows all your owned assets and your progression already, because they’re storing that themselves. All the information is already out of Sony’s hands. Sure, Sony has the same information too, but they’re not the only ones.
Technically out of Sony’s hands but not unconditionally…Epic is bound to an agreement with Sony that restricts how they can use that info…much like us entering a very one sided end user agreement before we play anything…and there are serious consequences to breaching that agreement. So yeah they got your info…but that doesn’t mean they can just hand it off to everyone else who has no restrictions or agreements in how they use that info…Sony can hold Epic accountable for miss-handling user information…but they can’t do anything to Nintendo or Microsoft or Steam if Epic were allowed to hand it to them.
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Xbox version it is! 
I’m probably just really bad at explaining 
Epic wouldn’t have to share any information concerning Sony. The only information they’d have to share is directly related to the game the the (epic) account was made for in the first place.
Yes, obviously. That’s exactly what’s being criticised, because they’re blocking information solely related to the game in question, not to the PSN account.
But you can’t criticize one without consideration for the the other…if they publicly share that info they have about PSN accounts with any and all without restraint then it won’t be so nice when some major crap goes down like a mass network hack of sorts or lots of accounts getting stolen and so on…it’s like criticizing someone for locking their house but then not wanting to acknowledge that they have a very good reason for locking it because their stuff may get stolen.
But they don’t have to share PSN-related information. That’s what I’m trying to explain. All data in the epic account refers exclusively to fortnite (at least if it’s designed in any sensible way). In fact, I don’t even see how they could have any other data. If PSN leaks sensitive user information through its API we’d have quite a different discussion
I’m not quite sure what information you think Epic has that would be important to Sony for security reasons. Maybe you could try to explain that, because we seem to be talking about two different things.
Well clearly Sony isn’t taking any chances…you can’t have pretenses of missunderstanding or incidents about how much or how little is shared if they just say no sharing anything from our community full stop. That way they don’t have to worry about some code dude handling the sites effing up and them going oops our bad…now sure that could still technically happen but now Sony can hold Epic accountable and they’d have zero excuses.
Just keep in mind there’s no telling how the Xbox community will look like…the PS4 and PC have established player bases…so far HG has done about nothing to promote this game…the sales for it could be very low on Xbox and of those not a lot will remain there long term…so you could end up in a situation where you spent $50 on the game for Xbox but can’t find anyone to play with so then you’ll have to either settle for single player or turn around and pay $50 for PS+ to find a community to play with. From the NMS online communities I see including here, reddit, discord, and facebook, I haven’t seen many Xbox gamers looking forward to this…there were vast communities of PS4 and PC players looking forward to the game before its PS4 and PC release…so also keep in mind that Xbox with your gold membership are still not a guarantee you’ll find a good multiplayer experience there.
Minecraft is actually owned by Microsoft though… They don’t require XBL for other games, e.g. Rocket League.
Sure but I don’t see Sony being keen to just let them bring XBL into the equation for PSN users…Phil Spencer has been talking big about reaching gamers on other platforms with Xbox products and services and I am sure Sony want to make sure that when or if that happens it will be on their terms…and I don’t blame them…I am more than a bit weary about all the shenanigans Microsoft is talking about games as a service…which to them undoubtedly means fewer lower quality games to monetize with microtransactions and lootboxes.
I seem to be unable to explain myself. Let me therefore just state my opinion as a professional developer of web services to wrap this up:
There is no security risk for Sony in not blocking 3rd party accounts from being used on other platforms. If these contain security relevant information for PSN, then the whole system has a serious design flaw, and if you truly believe that, you might think about stopping to use it. If the epic account got access to any information like credit cards registered with PSN, or information about purchases not relating to their game, then the fuck up on Sony’s part would be beyond staggering, reaching into the sphere of mindbending insanity. Especially since if that were the reason to block the account, it would mean that they’re aware of it and not fixing it. So to anyone truly believing this, my suggestion is to cancel your subscription, and send a registered letter to Sony demanding to delete any information related to your account, because only then they’re actually legally obliged to do so.
I don’t think think Sony is that incompetent, however. They’re doing this for business reasons, and business reasons alone.
Claiming there is no security is crazy…I could literally write essays about what a nonsense claim that is. But frankly I’ve had enough of this nonsense. Not wanting to risk compromising the accounts of their users makes Sony “bad” smh.
But… I made no such claim… ? In fact I explicitly stated that I don’t think Sony is incompetent enough for this to be a security issue. We really seem to be talking two different languages here…
It’s not a matter of incompetence on Sony’s part at all…they’d only be incompetent if they let this happen.
Regarding cross-play between ps4 and PC and PC player cheaters, there are actually companies with specialised software out there that their sole purpose is to prevent online cheaters on PC. As far as I have heard, they work pretty well at detecting and banning cheaters.
They work in games built from the ground up for online multiplayer whose saves are kept on a server…untouchable by the players…but in a game like this some cheating would be impossible for them to detect…like if someone edited their save file to give themselves 48 slots on everything, +999% on everything, billions of units, etc…those are just numbers on a save file…there would be nothing for an anti cheating software company to detect…they’d have to rely on players reporting others and even then such a company still wouldn’t likely be able what’s in those players’ saves.
i have a few questions for you and im looking at this from the perspective of a pc gamer so im not bias to either PS4 or Xbox One
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you said Microsoft wants Xbox live as the server platform for cross-play and therefore taking customers away from PSN when PSN could very well still be needed for this to even work. What would platform would you suggest they use PSN? if so your argument can be flipped around on Sony just as easily so this makes your point kinda weak
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you next point was that Microsoft’s long term goals would be to charge people for XBL gold for cross play. Now im sure that for crossplay to work there would need to be a contract in place and there would be a clause in said contract the Sony Microsoft or Nintendo couldn’t do that and if they did it would be grounds for shut down of the crossplay and legal action so there fore Microsoft would lose a bunch of money and there not that stupid
2.5 you decided to bring up how the Xbox One was received in 2013 when they announced and how MS is shady because it fine ill make this its own point ok for starters what they were trying todo i was ok with it was something that has been happening on PC for years now ill give you that maybe console gamers may have not been ready for the transition at that point to a 99% digital game distribution but now it would be another story.
- Now your next point was that Sony wouldn’t want there networks to be compromised buy a competing service ok heres the think to e comprised it would be implied that Microsoft is illegally gaining access to Sony’s servers witch would not be the case. But im how ever going to give you the benifit of the doubt and assume that you worded it wrong and meant that sony wouldnt want to give microsoft access to PSN. ok fine if thats what you meant i agree with you 100% im sure microsoft would be the same BUT however it neither so or microsoft or sony would need total access to eachothers online services a limited access thing would do