Seems like an unfortunate trend. Ridiculous. Derelict in any concern for the humanities. Seeking only to make a quick few thousand. Seems there ought to be other ways to make such a pitiful amount of money
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All the Americans in the comments section are in shock
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I suspect that a melt-down criminal business is available. Sad.
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A few years ago Iâd say this is too stupid to actually happen, nothing to worry about here.
But I canât wash the taste of what happened in the UK with Palestine Action out of my mouth. Apparently itâs really easy to classify something that isnât a terror group, as a terror group.
Decentralised Activism is just terrorism now. Yay Facism. (I think this particular brand of it should be called Cofvefism)
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WTF? Antifa isnât an organisation and no clearly defined ideology, it doesnât really have members as such?
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Thatâs kind of the point, isnât it? Trump wants an enemy he can blame for his failures, and towards which he can direct popular hatred. It suits his purpose for that enemy to be as vague and ill-defined as possible. That way, the enemy is anyone he wants it to be.
Once upon a time, people would burn harmless old women for following the teachings of Satan. The fact that Satan doesnât exist, and therefore doesnât have any teachings, made no difference at all.
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No, they have flags, colors, local chapters, e-mail sign ups, clear objectives, and a track record of supported riots and other violent activities (assault and destruction of private property being prime among them).
This âthey donât existâ narrative is just spin from the global news that benefits from their actions. There are too much data to show that it does exist; the organization is decentralized for obvious legal protections.
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For many years I have heard that local law enforcement says when there are peaceful protests, there is a group that will travel to the protest and enter among the group and try to incite violence. Sometimes they fail. Sometimes they succeed. The are covert. They donât make themselves clearly known. But they are definitely organized. Their only objective is to cause damage and mayhem turning peaceful protests into a scene that requires intervention.
I have no idea what their reason is or if they just love being violent. Some people just look for an excuse to be so. I would assume this group is what they are referring to.
I stay as far away from protests as possible.
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They seem like a loosely organized anti-fascist group, unlike Sons of Confederate Veterans, the KKK, or Proud Boys, for example.
Even congressional inquiries consistently find no evidence of a national hierarchy, chain of command, or formal membership roster, while documenting local autonomous collectives that coordinate informally.
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Which are⌠? As far as I know, there isnât even a manifestoâŚ
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It probably is best not to continue this topic. Whoever they are, they have been declared terrorists and we do not want to draw undue attention here.
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Where? Guildford? This is not a US based group.
So far, nobody has been expressing approval or condemnation of Antifa. So far, weâve been discussing whether, as a cohesive entity, they actually exist at all.
However, I take your point. This thread always has the potential to become overheated.
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I get your point however, when a word is googled, it will sometimes show the websites where it has been mentioned. So just saying.
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I agree with @sheralmyst; this is not the forum nor place to describe the tenants of that group (generally stated to keep the Google hits low 
), but you are asking to be truly informed, they are chanted at protests/riots, you can find them on the aforementioned local chapters websites and itâs fairly easy to decipher by context. There is a inherent problem with this discussion thread in that it threatens the escapism we all see in the open universe Hello Games has provided for us. I will always tend towards that escapism goal. With that in mind, I look forward to logical debate and discourse if it can be achieved. (FYI, I tend to question all things in turn.)
One food for thought @jedidia: if they want to remain covert, then having a manifesto would be antithetical. However, there is a handbook.
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I think weâre not speaking the same language here. Iâm speaking about legal issues, and so are those proposing to call Antifa a âterrorist organisationâ. In other words, Evidence that can face a court. This is not about whether or not there are hooligans that have some loose common goals and organise to disrupt protests. This is about whether people suspected of affiliation can be arrested and prosecuted for terrorism (a term allowing for investigation at much lower standards of evidence, at least in the US, and much higher sentences in case of conviction) instead of just criminal behaviour on the basis of individual prosecution.
So when I ask âwhereâs the manifesto?â, Iâm not asking who posted what where in which forum or whatever. Iâm asking for evidence that might lead a court to reach such a conclusion and define the subject narrowly enough that you canât just throw everybody in there you donât like.
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Well they are already claiming high crime as a reason to send the military into cities. These cities are in areas opposed to the current regime.
They are threatening to arrest lawmakers spotted at protests. This label of terrorist under the name of a vague group gives them the basis for arrest.
None of it is really legal and yet no one seems able to stop it.
At this point, the legal basis is what they are creating, even if it isnât actually legal.
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Like I mentioned @jedidia, there is a handbook and loose cooperation that is apparent. From what I have seen (and I cast a wide net to attempt to avoid logic traps and biases), there is strong evidence of the involvement of foreign actors that tour around between protests to achieve the aforementioned aims. There is also strong evidence for significant funding being involved. At the very least until recently, the disportionate application of the law when caught (foreign/global funded judges and DAs are usually involved), bail outs of these individuals by one political party, the incitement to perform these deeds by a some politicians, and the global media machine running cover (and outright incitement in some cases) for the activities shows that there may be a lot more to this is, either covert or âallowed to happenâ in concert which leads to the same place.
As for the legal aspect, enforcing the existing laws is legal. I think both sides are toeing a dangerous line in respect to possible war-like conflict ( avoiding another Google search term). The media machine, and I hope this is just chasing anger clicks and views, seems to want us to spiral into such a conflict. Perhaps, they are just clumsy, but I apply Greyâs Law to these sorts of impasses when things are untestable. With arrests and investigations, there is the burden of proof. I would not trust that the global media machine would report well (with integrity) for this subject given their conflict of interest.
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I donât really disagree with anything you wrote there. Iâm just saying that an administration that pardoned several participants of an attempted coup incited by them taking an ill-defined catch-all term and putting it under the legal definition of terrorism is a recipe for mass arrests and consequtive prosecution of any kind of protesters as âterroristsâ⌠
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I agree, that would be the dangerous line that I discussed. Equal and impartial application of the law is the only way to proceed. That impartiality is difficult to come by these days; too many people live in the political spin and canât seem to pry themselves away.
Its gotten so bad, that our community here wanted to tiptoe for fear of angry discussion and/or bad actors joining the discussion. I had no fears; this community is one of the nicest and most intelligent I have found (i.e. why I still lurk).
You are exactly correct and right on track.
We are talking about a person who just praised, on an international stage, the Arab world for having âno crimeâ because they âquash it immediatelyâ. He admires them very much. Countries where you are flogged or killed for reading a book or watching movies not sanctioned by the government.
And this is while books are quietly disappearing from school libraries across the country.
Oh and this is happening too
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