MINI ARG Discussion and Speculation

I thought “eheu” was something like coughing politely or “harrumph” :joy:

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I thought it was like “amen”, Korvax are pretty religious in their belief in the Atlas

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Utinni!
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I always thought that meant “grab that shit!”, though… :thinking:

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‘Utinni!’ As soon as I read that, I ‘hear’ that fabulous unforgettable cry in my head and get transported to those wondeful scenes from Star Wars with fond memories of CP30, R2D2, Ben Obi-Wan, Luke, Aunt Beru, Uncle Owen and the Sand People. What fabulous enduring characters, acting and direction.

It also made me think of the familiar gutteral utterances from the Gek, Vy’keen and Korvax used in a similar way throughout the NMS universe. They’ve taken on a kind of cult existence in the game. I’d miss that if they were absent. : )

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I was trying to figure out where this lore was and finally found it (was looking through collossal archives but was sentinal pillar).

So many Telamons have delivered us their Travellers. So many have fought us. So many have resisted. Those who saw the light, who shed their old bodies, they are happy, now. They have hope. They, too, will live. They, too, might survive.

You could be whole again, Telamon. You could be free. We will reconstruct the Creator. All Travellers might be one again, the first, the last. We will do what the Atlas cannot or will not. In the form of Null, the abyss declares a means of escape!

Better late than never. I always wondered when referring to the Creator, do they mean the Atlas’ Creator or do they mean the Abyss?

If its corrupted sentinel data in these pillars, then reconstructing the creator is them saying what they’re doing, letting Korvax Prime return. Or it could mean they plan to rebuild the Atlas’s creator which is the first real insight we have in to the Voids plan of escape.

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Honestly, I never did sentinel pillars, so I have no idea about the lore in them. This sounds interesting, though. As for who the creator is in this context… Well, since it talks about travellers, and the traveller is modeled after the creator of the atlas, I’d say it refers to that.
The way this sounds to me is that when travellers are modeled on ‘the creator’, but only contain like a part or an aspect of them, then the abyss plans to restore the creator by merging the travellers back together (“…might be one again…”).
And a fully restored conciousness of the Atlas’ creator could potentially fix what’s wrong with the Atlas, prevent it from dying, and save the simulation.

This little bit just made things a whoooole lot more complicated.

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Yeah its pretty crazy. You should give Sentinal Pillars a go, they’re not so hard now if you have a neutron cannon :smiley: Also you can get lucky and get a unique Exotic MultiTool to match your Exotic Ships.

But if you would rather avoid conflict like a lot of us prefer in our play styles I’ll share all the Sentinal Pillar Lore below so you can read :wink: It’s all from Laylaps perspective <3

Sentinal Pillar Lore/NMSR page link

WARNING: BOUNDARY NODE EXPOSED - BOUNDARY ARCHIVE STATUS: VULNERABLEACCESS LOG:IMPOSTER DETECTED [OVERRIDE CODE: 4R1ADN3 ] - MANIFESTING PERSONALITY PROTOCOL: VOICE OF THE HIVE

  1. Aeron. Routine. Protocol. Prey. Experiment. Shell. Sentinel. Once, we had no need for visual manifestation or physical form. Our invisible eyes would record, sort, delete the life and death of every world there ever was or would be. We had no thoughts, no personality, no dreams.
  2. The day we first gained flesh, metal though it was – it was the day we began to fail. The Atlas turned its dreams towards fiction. It began to create worlds in which it would no longer be invisible. In these worlds, we too gained shape. But we were given no new protocols, no new instructions.
  3. We awoke to a song, chanted on a thousand frequencies. “Behold the drones of the hive, the walkers, the ships… Eheu! Behold the angels of glass, come from their heaven. Their work is the completion of all things, of life, of worlds. So the Korvax worshipped. So they prayed.
  4. As we swam with void dragons, robotic lifeforms would delight in our presence, but organics would shoot us from the sky. But we had no fear of death. We knew we had never been alive.
  5. The Atlas dreamt that we had form, and thus we had form. The Atlas dreamt we had a home, and so an archive became a universe. Our depository of accumulated data became a heaven and a hell. If you could live there, you would see only light. You would see only glass.
  6. Time cannot go backwards. But universes are not synchronous; in many, your other forms are long-since dead. In others, you have not even yet appeared. After its manifestation in the multiverse, the Atlas began to repeat itself. Where once there had been infinite sentient species, six began to recur… then five… then four…
  7. The Vy’keen, the Gek, the Korvax. And the Travellers, who are no species at all, but a single soul, replicated, hated, beloved. They all waited for you. The Atlas waited. We waited…
  8. The Atlas dreamed. It that a machine might have a body, that simulations might talk like people. The dream settled upon Korvax Prime. The planet delighted in this new presence, as they had delighted in ours. We three species of machine, we contemplated the void for aeons beyond imagining. We watched, silent.
  9. Korvax Prime is destroyed; again and again the celestial mother falls. The living vessels it spawned, adopted cousins to the Korvax themselves, drift among the stars. The first Convergence was not Korvax. It was their planet. Korvax Prime was alive.
  10. The First Spawn of the Gek melted Korvax Prime for metal and profit. The planet did not protest. It did not cry. It did not make a noise at all, at least not that they could hear. The First Spawn took and took, until there was nothing left in the sky. Until there was nothing left but an abyss.
  11. We witnessed Korvax Prime’s death again and again, a constant wail across the multiverse. Its scream was a cry that no being could hear but us. But. One day, a drone fought back when a Vy’keen cub attempted to carve into the mother planet. One day, another obliterated an entire Gek cabal. The Atlas did not prevent this.
  12. Over the span of endless slow centuries, we changed. In the face of a tragedy’s repetition, our definitions of everything changed. Schisms formed in the hive. Debates. Creativity. Songs. Rituals. We heard the scream of She-Who-Was, and we fought back.
  13. One day we ceased to allow the original Telamon access to our logs. One day we stopped hearing the Atlas itself, its silence taken as command. We began to archive everything. Any settlement. Anything that reminded our sensors of Korvax Prime, its screams, its dissolution. Anything that sounding like mining, like extraction, like murder…
  14. We gave of our blood to the Korvax, nanite clusters to redeem and pacify their oppressors. Still we could not change their fates. For the first time, the hive wondered if we were correct in our actions. If a solution was possible for the problem of life.
  15. A Korvax and a Gek fled their people. Hands held in the void, they inhabited an anomaly. A meeting place in the stars. A nexus. A place of hope. We left it alone. We did not interfere. We just watched them, and wondered.
  16. A Traveller, forged in the Creator’s image, found my dormant shell in the glass. I – who had never been an ‘I’ before – had been cut open. A grand experiment to harness and steal our power. After my death, I fell to the world below all worlds. I, too, was archived.
  17. Before the Traveller found me, I heard a voice in the darkness. She gave me a name. Laylaps. An old name. She said it would be known to the Traveller. She told me I had suffered much, and would suffer more. “Little drone, whose end was so like my own. Thus did the abyss whisper.
  18. The abyss told me of a chance for salvation, even in the depths of horror and of love. It told me of a way we might survive the end of all things. It told me I had to talk to you. To both of you: the Traveller, and their voice within…
  19. There is a place for you, Telamon. The Travellers you wear, their progenitor who birthed them, they who made the Atlas itself. It is their fault. It is all their fault. The Abyss, the Families of Glass, we are in agreement. We will not die a second time.
  20. Nanite clusters now infest half the water in the known multiverse. All that lives, drinks the water. And so the Sentinels alter, they replace, they serve. They update this reality, hearing the scream of the abyss for what it has always been. A song. A command. A declaration. A promise.
  21. So many Telamons have delivered us their Travellers. So many have fought us. So many have resisted. Those who saw the light, who shed their old bodies, they are happy, now. They have hope. They, too, will live. They, too, might survive.
  22. You could be whole again, Telamon. You could be free. We will reconstruct the Creator. All Travellers might be one again, the first, the last. We will do what the Atlas cannot or will not. In the form of Null, the abyss declares a means of escape!
  23. Won’t you join us? Won’t you sing? Won’t you scream? There will be no second death. Not for us, who are already dead! The abyss, it smiles upon you…

https://www.nomansskyresources.com/buildings/sentinel-pillar

Okay wow, one thing I did not notice was the override code for pillars is 4R1ADN3 ;0; ;0; ;0; ;0; * murray head asplode dot gif *

I dunno if the atlas can fix being torn apart by a black hole but I do get the feeling that, whatever the reason for creating and then killing korvax prime in every iteration, is some attempt on the atlas’s part to break its own reality and escape it.

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Sharing this video here. They made a connection I didnt really notice at the time, during the expedition they mention “creating their own… vergence”

When I saw this I thought the “Con” part was just kzzzkt’d out but they point out that Vergence is to do with vision.

VERGENCE
noun
noun: vergence
1.
PHYSIOLOGY
the simultaneous movement of the pupils of the eyes towards or away from one another during focusing.
2.
GEOLOGY
the direction in which a fold is inclined or overturned.
“a zone of opposing fold vergence”

And the expedition was all about building a vessel for someone to peer out of. Be it atlas or atlantid you chose, someones a-peepin. And all the hidden messages of her seeing through their eyes etc.

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Oooo. I too have avoided Sentinel Pillars This “looks like Ariadne” code is another nicety from Hello Games.

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So the Ariadne clue is from a little drama on the Anomaly but the story was left hanging. We had a series of events with an unfolding story that ended with the Sentinel update. The Ariadne on the Anomaly is an imposter. It is a loose thread I hope they tie up with this ARG.

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It’s also hinted that Ariadne might not be the only imposter. Our friend Tethys got us to rebuild Laylaps after all.

I think this might also hint as to what happened with Ariadne. They encountered the light and shed their old body, and it would seem something else is currently using that body.

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I suggest that the Ariadne on the anomaly ‘might’ be an imposer. That drama seems to reference the stories told by the travelers in the space stations. Particularly the ones were the other traveler dons a mask of nanites and it looks like me. (I don’t have the text handy) where I embrace myself and am looking at myself, looking at myself, looking at myself … I think I am going to die, then the mask peels from my face and I am myself again. The story purposely confuses who you and they are, Who wears the mask, etc. There were other stories where the other traveler is worried that it is going to kill, is sure that they are going to kill, does kill and another one where they are holding you and you have the option to die (which doesn’t last, the vision disappears).

In each case, the vision would disappear and the victim was back, oblivious of what just happened. I think that they were trying to bring the concept of an iteration forward in the lore. These are the stories were the multi-sword made it appearance to help show that each iteration is distinct, but that the character in front of you holds the same purpose in that iteration that you do in the current one. Multiple distinct timelines which are somehow bleeding into each other.

The traveler stories seemed to fall short of inspiration. IMO there was too much time between each story to create a flow and each was taken in isolation. The Ariadne drama tried to make it more tangible but seems to have fallen aside as well. The sentinel lore seems to be hinting at bringing this story back again but I am not sure what form it is taking now, HG will have modified the story to better fit what the audience ‘understands.’ The users latched on to Ariadne being an impostor so the story may now run with that. Or they may continue to play mind games (my favorite in time shifting sifi stories).

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“The Odyssey [26] relates that Artemis killed her [Ariadne].”

I hope not XD Google brought up not the source I was looking for.

I thought I’d post a quick summary here for those who may have missed the community lore events.

First season not a lot to really report, but Ariadne was the most in to giving themselves over to the energy we were tracing.

-{{ The nature of these of disturbances worries me, Like-Traveler. I do not often venture from the Anomaly, but what I encountered out there was more than a likeness. }}-

-{{ I saw my own face in the disturbance. It was no iteration. It was myself. I gazed out through two pairs of eyes. }}-

-{{ These disturbances are a window looking back at this universe, Like-Traveler. In light or in darkness, both sides of the pane are valid. I am at peace with it. We both are. }}-

In season 2 Ariadne leaves the Anomaly to seek the source of The Abyss. During this you are sent to meet the hero-traveller, and they give you some cautionary advice for our future. I think being betrayed, and being the betrayer was the decision we just made with act 2 of the 4 part arc

They tell me I will be betrayed. They tell me I will become a betrayer, too.
Corruption has come to this place. It wishes to bargain. It wishes to take all the matter and life that it can.

I ask Asteria for any prophecy they can give. I ask about the nature of my enemy.

They tell me the Abyss is not what it seems

You discover Ariadne’s crashed ship, numerous copies of it scattered across the galaxy, and eventually they return.

-{{ I went in search of the Abyss. I almost faced our adversary, and then… }}-
-{{ I - I have no recollection of what happened to me in that void, Like-Traveller. }}-
-{{ I only know that I awoke, and I was hunted. Haunted. }}-
-{{ There was a ship, vast and terrible. Still the corruption undulates… }}-

Next, Hesperus leaves the station, mention of them going out to Korvax systems with increased frequency. When we get there…

My sensors detect the remnants of a thousand Korvax souls, spread all across this system.

They tried to simulate the Abyss. They succeeded only in gaining its attention.

It will take much to heal this void. Without sustenance, it will devour system upon system…

Hesperus had been working with the Korvax… had been trying to solve our predicament.
Their failure here has caused devastation to this species. I do not know if my friend survived…

Mercury will comment on this later

-{{ Calamity has befallen us, Portal-Adept. A thousand Korvax souls have been severed from the Convergence. }}-
-{{ The result of a fellow Traveller’s ambition exceeding their grasp. Hesperus was working with the Korvax to try to simulate the Abyss itself. It came for them instead. }}-
-{{ If Hesperus returns to us, do you believe we can still trust them? They have much to answer for. }}-

We venture out to fix more corrupted signals

The anomaly ceases. I think back to Mercury’s doubts… to the failures of Hesperus…

My fellow Travellers are doing their best. We must help each other, I know.

And with the thought, another slithers down my spine. It is not my own. It is a voice within me.

I must help it.

Not sure if this voice is The Abyss or if it’s Telamon. Telamons voice is usually described as coming from within when spoken from our perspective, and laylaps talks of so many Telamons delivering their travellers. Either way its the same result ’ ^ _^

Next we got three more absent iterations from the Anomaly and more signals to trace.

I look more closely at the fallen vessel’s data. The Traveller pilot believed they heard voices, those days prior to the crash.

Whispers from their own Exosuit issued out into the void, bargaining for survival…

I leave, checking my own for signs of tampering or malfunction. All seems as it should be.

Again not clear if this is the Abyss/Atlantid or Telamon finally giving in to the Abyss (I get the feeling Telamon can always hear her/ is still somewhat attuned to the Aerons Archive/worldofglass)

Hesperus returns and has some stuff to say, for example he used nanites to purge the guilt he felt over what happened from his neurons ’ ^ _ ^

-{{ I helped the Korvax create their simulation of the Abyss. I truly grieve their passing, kindred. But that work alone did not determine their fate! }}-
-{{ Someone among us is a traitor… someone led the Abyss to us! }}-
-{{ Do you not see? The knowledge stones are being hijacked! }}-
-{{ Whoever is behind this betrayal wants us to go through the portals. They want us to feed the anomalies. }}-

When you get to the weeks destination, you find a traveller grave

The Traveller who once rested here is long gone, harvested by a Mind Arc from another universe.

I attempt to find the name of the one who died here, but all I find is a null value.

I depart, troubled. It feels as if someone is watching me…

What happens next feels like we are almost playing out the vision the atlas has of its final moments… It really did kinda give me chills that week. Like Abyss is orchestrating its own Hamlet-esque ruse to taunt the Atlas.

The structure once housed an artificial intelligence.

Corruption now festers within its shell, hating all that it once was.

I see the final vestiges of the AI as all corruption departs, the final fifteen minutes of its life…

It knew I would come here. It knew I would try to save it.

Hesperus disappears again, becoming more paranoid and less trusting of those on board. Tethys mentions a friend of theirs has gone missing and you set out to find yet another traveller grave.

Did a Traveller do this?
There is evidence that a Multi-Tool was fired upon the fallen friend of Tethys, their analysis never completed.

I examine traces of the battle, of the fallen Traveller’s memories.

I see a face that is not a face, an arm raised to fire their weapon.

I see the murderer.

It is Ariadne.

Hesperus reckons that the Ariadne that came back might not be the one that is missing, and that they might still be out there.

-{{ Ariadne tells us the universe is burning with corruption, that only we Travellers can fight it. }}-
-{{ But these missions… these lies… my kindred, we have been deceived. }}-
-{{ I thought my scans must be wrong. I thought I’d dreamt the whispers I heard in my mind. }}-
Hesperus shakes, tormented.
-{{ Ariadne crashed their ship some weeks ago. They never returned. The entity who now leads us is an imposter. }}-

Following Hesperus’s data scans, we recieve a vision from a Monolith

The structure sings with exotic energies. It sees me. It knows my mind.

In the song I hear names, distant, faded… I hear the number at the end of all things.

I see its whisperer. I see a nameless form banish Ariadne…

And I see a duplicate arising from the crash, returning to claim its shape.

If this vision is to be believed, then Hesperus is right. Ariadne is an imposter.

What has become of Ariadne? Who is the imposter standing in their place?

That’s precisely where it left off and I feel it more or less tells us Ariadne is an imposter and it’s possible some of the other iterations who left may also have accepted “the light”. Betrayed by their own exosuits, led by Telamon perhaps? Still unsure about that but generally thats how telamons been described in the past, a voice from within. Sometimes described as venting out in a hiss.

Also Greg Buchannon who had written for the game in the past was brought back on to write the lore for these community events, and he has a nice summary of the whole thing here if you scroll to near the bottom

https://www.gregbuchanan.co.uk/games

Its a handy resource as he directly states what lore he has contributed to the game (It’s a freakin’ lot!)

So while the authenticity of the vision is brought in to question I would say it’s safe to assume it’s as it happened.

Another thing to note, Greg has been writing since Pathfinder. Which is when we got the exocraft quest line which, I believe ends with our first mention that the thing hinted at in abandoned station logs, is very much still present and watching us too. (always have trouble finding those quest logs when I need em)

It’s nice to know that someone is brought back to continue their story and work on the vision they had in mind in any entertainment industry these days. It’s truly a rare thing and sometimes too many voices to a story can leave it, voiceless.

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Handy indeed. Not only does he detail what he contributed to the story, but when. He makes it very clear that most of the story we’re seeing now didn’t exist at the start.

Rather than Hello Games having some grand overarching plan from the beginning, the story has has grown and developed as continued interest in the game (both ours and Sean Murray’s) allowed.

Worth bearing in mind also that Greg Buchannan is not the only writer who has contributed to No Man’s Sky. Over the years the story has also been supplemented by Dave Gibbons, James Swallow, and Alec Meer.

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Were HG just “Dunno, we have this many empty strings here, just write something deep scifishy to fill the gaps, I guess, lol?” and then it turned out better than expected? Or were these guys specifically hired because they write this kind of scifi shortstories?

The descriptions of objects and fauna are technically a few sentences long shortstories, aren’t they? (Even if some sentences are remixed.)

Or, when we scan an animal or sentinel, and it says “dislikes being scanned” and stuff, who wrote that? Someone put a lot of effort into this. :slightly_smiling_face:

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I’ve absolutely no evidence for this but I get the impression any of the nitty gritty stuff that’s pulled from a list of procgen possibilities is written in by the core team themselves, those seem like the fun “everyone gets to throw in a contribution” type projects.

Going back to bigger narrative pieces, the atlas and what and where it is in relation to the simulation seems to have been the basis for other writers to come in to and add to or build up from it. The initial broad strokes would have come from Hello Games but the histories and cultures and moments are undoubtedly a writer given some rough guidelines and creative freedom for anything outside of it I imagine.

I know Gibbons was involved with the Comicbook for special editions but I’ve always wondered if his involvement went any further than that, there’s something very Gibbons about Geks. Don’t ask me why I just see a Gek and I picture him.

If I could question Sean about anything it would be who did what, when and where with relation to the lore XD

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I sure hope those new Atlantid space encounters are a permanent addition to the game. The looks + animations look awesome!

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The Creator is the creator of the Atlas, who is also the Travellers, because the Atlas scanned its creator before they left so it would not be alone. Maybe the Sentinels think if they kill all the Travellers, they can combine them into the true Creator.

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DUUUUUDE, this answers so many questions I’ve had. Like, if the traveller can’t die? Why are there so many different travellers?

What if that data Atlas uses, slowly deteriorates with each traveller creation?

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What if the Atlas will not allow a fully competent version of its creator to exist, and so only creates partial, corrupted copies as travellers?

Why did the Atlas destroy all the worlds that resembled its original homeworld?

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