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As a Pastafarian, I find string theory to be very derivative of our own Spaghetti Theory.

In short, I have no horse in this race :slight_smile:

In my 20’s I would’ve been a staunch athiest. These days I lean more with agnostic only because I can’t say for certain that there isn’t something and I don’t want to appear arrogant, but deep down I’m still leaning towards Athiesm :wink:

also lean more into ā€œhumanistā€ beliefs though I don’t use the label, I prefer ā€œPost-Modern Paganā€, to honor my ancestory :stuck_out_tongue: We will reclaim the heart of europe, one day… it’ll make what Israel is doing seem tame when we finally strike :smiley: Watch your backs, the celtic tiger will rise again XD

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I believe many people do not want to believe and therefore look for reasons not to and likely spend more time doing that than looking for evidence. God could not ever be found in a mathematical equation since He would be greater than the things He created. Unsearchable and yet evidence of Him would be all around us and in fact in us. The ability to marvel and ask all these questions makes us a higher form of life than the animal kingdom and is proof in itself that we have an ability that is unexplainable through any means other than a Creator.
But acknowledging a Creator places an obligation on humans that many do not want.
However we were created with free will and therefore are free to believe what we wish and I respect that. :blush:

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Well said :slight_smile: I should also mention I have zero problems with religious beliefs, and more a problem with religious institutes. Which have done a lot of the ground work of muddying the perception of the faith they claim to adhere to.

If you know about the catholic church and well… basically any country they’ve had a hand in. You know you’re not far away from one of their covered up crimes.

I believe the archbishop of cantebury is up for some of the usual stuff; harboring known monsters etc.

To bring it back to space… I think that’s the solution. Send them on missionary work to mars.

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Amen! :pray: :grin:

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I don’t think anybody is saying you can’t believe in a creator. What you’re not free to do is to call that belief ā€œscienceā€.

Science is a discipline that depends, as far as possible, on proof. And it is only possible to prove something to scientific standards if, should that thing be false, it is possible to disprove it.

Nearly all modern constructions of God would have it that God cannot be seen, touched, or otherwise detected. Cannot be known or understood. ā€œInvisible, Immortal, Ineffableā€. Interestingly, it was not always so. In simpler times, the Gods would often show themselves to men - but those religions got into trouble when the Gods didn’t appear when needed. It was far safer for the priests to promote a God who could never be seen. You didn’t get caught out that way.

I believe the Universe is constructed and functions according to forces and rules we do not understand. That we may never understand. If people choose to call those forces ā€œGodā€, that’s fine by me. I don’t, however, believe that those forces are in any way concerned with me, my wellbeing, or how I live my life.

I will accept a personal God as a scientific proposition on the day (in the words of Douglas Adams) He walks up to me and gives me his phone number.

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To reduce the quite frankly astounding philosophical breakthrough of monotheism to just this definitely makes things way too simple…

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Not really. Organised religion is, like politics, a way of commandeering people’s natural desires and beliefs into a structure that gives power to priests. Over time, those in positions of power or wealth seek to take the power of religion to themselves - so the ruler of the Nation also becomes the head of the church. And we get the Pharaohs of Egypt, the God-Emperors of Rome, the Caliph of Baghdad, and the Pope Kings of the Holy Roman Empire. Organised religion has nothing to do with God, and is entirely concerned with the cynical exercise of power.

In societies where the body politic is (or was recently) made up of a loose affiliation of tribes, you tend to get polytheistic religion. That’s because each tribe had it’s own God, and they all get bundled together in the pantheon.

Where a society is, and has long been, based on the power of a single ruler, a King, you tend to see the development of monotheistic religion. It works because it justifies the mundane power structure. If you can’t get rid of the subsidiary Gods altogether, you demote them to the rank of Saints.

Religions evolve. The ones we are left with are the ones that have survived. There were thousands that were lost over the millennia, and new ones pop up like mushrooms with tedious regularity. Thankfully, most do not survive.

The religions that have survived are the ones that brought some benefit to the societies that hosted them, whilst at the same time did not destroy those societies. The Shakers forbade sex - even within marriage. There aren’t too many of them around these days.

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Pantheism pretty much covers that.
Once it is realised that the major religions of todays world are the redacted & politically currupted leftovers of ancient beliefs, it is neccessary for modern man to step back & accept that the wonderous size & complexity of our universe is God level science & pretty much beyond our comprehension. No single human can know it all.

All mankind can take great lessons from the wholesome values of various faiths & philosophies but to grasp them so tightly that logic is ignored shows that humans are still quite primative & it is holding us back.
We’ve had a collective surge of inteligence during the recent lull in the ice age & each generation has stood on the shoulders of the last as we collectively strive for advancement but a single misshap within our man-made systems, reveals we are still barely more than club waving, angry creatures.

If holding onto a faith helps a human feel grounded, then by all means let it be held onto however blind faith isn’t the way.
Ask questions & never stop learning & above all be certain that logic prevails & that impossible events are treated as just stories from very different times in our existence.
Is Earth a Heaven? Is it a Hell? Is it both & neither because good & evil are the inventions of mankind? Is reincarnation in another place just a nice way of being recycled back into the atoms of our galaxy? Was the Big Bang the first or just the most recent? Was it the utterly unproveable self sacrifice of a god so that all things could be? Is it all just stories?

I hope for all living things on this marvelous little planet that mankind learns that there is nowhere else within reach for any of us to go.
Greed is decimating our future. That IS a fact. Science proves that. No ancient texts make mention of our current existance because they were written by men from a different time.
Perhaps its time we moved on?

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That gatedoes not have a lock in it. Does it have a lock in it? Sendinghopes and prayers on your impending escape

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Sure, let’s not mention the whole continental drift from animism to a more rational worldview that went hand in hand with the idea of monotheism. :person_shrugging: If authority figures had the kind of power to trigger this, they probably wouldn’t have needed it.
I’m not saying it’s got nothing to do with it. I’m just saying there’s a lot more involved here. People tend to romanticise paganism somewhat these days. Thinking animism is all kumbaya and being one with nature and stuff. Instead, it was mostly pure terror of the natural world because if you make one wrong move it will devour you, soul included…

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I absolutely agree. Through fire, flood, disease, parasites, predators, drowning, starvation, poison, freezing, sunstroke, and a club in the back of the head from your neighbour, there are a million ways to die out there - and kindly Mother Nature will kill you the first chance she gets.

There was no Golden Age. No Noble Savage. As Hobbes put it, life before government was ā€œSolitary, poor, nasty, brutish, and short.ā€

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"I am not an Atheist. I do not know if I can define myself as a Pantheist. The problem involved is too vast for our limited minds. May I do not reply with a parable? The human mind, no matter how highly trained, cannot grasp the universe. We are in the position of a little child, entering a huge library whose walls are covered to the ceiling with books in many different tongues. The child knows that someone must have written those books. It does not know who or how. It does not understand the languages in which they are written.

The child notes a definite plan in the arrangement of the books, a mysterious order, which it does not comprehend, but only dimly suspects. That, it seems to me, is the attitude of the human mind, even the greatest and most cultured, toward God. We see a universe marvelously arranged, obeying certain laws, but we understand the laws only dimly. Our limited minds cannot grasp the mysterious force that sways the constellations.

I am fascinated by Spinoza’s Pantheism. I admire even more his contributions to modern thought. Spinoza is the greatest of modern philosophers because he is the first philosopher who deals with the soul and the body as one, not as two separate things."

– Albert Einstein (1879-1955), as mentioned in Glimpses of the Great by G. S. Viereck (1930), paraphrased in Walter Isaacsson’s Einstein: His Life and Universe

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quote by Werner Karl Heisenberg :upside_down_face:

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Sounds like @Emily has some competition

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As good as exploring space, maybe even better

Make sure to watch the weirdness at about 7:35

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Ok. Help please.
The are sound bites, vids, short articles plastered everywhere from non-reliable sources saying that NASA has warned the Yangtze River Dam slows the earth’s rotation but, not a single article or vid has a link to where NASA actually made this statement.

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That is absurd, so I’d be very surprised if NASA made any such claim. The Moon is yanking all our oceans all over the place on a daily basis, and it is actually slowing the earths rotation by a whooping 1.7 milliseconds per century (if the rate keeps constant). It looks like it will manage to fling itself out of orbit before it manages to get us to a standstill, though (because, obviously, the force also works the other way around).

Also, I don’t think it’s possible to affect the earths rotation without interacting with another reference frame. Not quite sure, but pretty certain of it.

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This kind of thing is becoming concerning. When fact-checking, I immediately discard social media and YT, etc…posts. I then look to news articles and I have a growing list of ones I ignore. Daily Express, India Times…the list goes on. I was disturbed to see that MSN reported this as well. I clicked. I saw no links. I went NASA and saw only where they had followed the building of the dam.
Mind you, the reports stated only when the reservoir is full and only by a fraction of a second. But not being able to find the actual NASA statement sends the whole thing into question.
I fear this will only get worse.

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