Etarcians Exploring The Outer Rim

OUT AT THE RIM

I mentioned in an earlier post that I was building a base out at the rim of the Euclid galaxy.

This is an area where the game starts to lose its grip. The map becomes unreliable, Whole regions of stars cannot be visited, and areas of navigation are liable to disappear into a galactic fog.

It’s interesting out here, and quite strange. It’s also millions of light years from the regular spawning areas, so virtually everything round here is undiscovered. Nobody has ever been here before - nor, without a portal address, are they ever likely to.

It did occur to me that if ETARC/CSD wanted to establish a community, somewhere like this would be a good place to do it - but that’s another discussion.

t thought people might like to see some pictures:

This is an area where the stars are not named. You can’t visit them, but you can explore amongst them with the galactic map.

This is a boundary area - as far as such a thing exists. The stars on the left of the picture are unnamed, and cannot be visited. The stars on the right of the picture have names, and can be visited. The area inbetween is a bit of a mixture. You can see the named system appears to be a double black hole - more on that later.

This is the apparent double black hole. It’s not really a double - it’s just an ordinary black hole - the problem is that the map misbehaves in this region, and you can’t necessarily believe what it says.

This is the fog. You run into pockets of this stuff out here -and it’s hard to navigate through it. If you go beyond the region of unnamed stars, the galaxy is all fog - but you find patches of it in random places, too. The map is unstable out here.

Here you can see two double black holes, and off to their left, a single one. As I said, the map here is unstable. The boundaries between the fog, the unnamed stars, and named stars, do not run in straight lines.

This is an example of an outlier star. You can see that the star is named, and can be visited. What’s not obvious is that all the stars around it are unnamed, and can’t be visited - it’s like a little island of reality.

This is the counterpart of the previous picture. The large star in centre frame is unnamed, but the stars around it are named. Normally the map would name the nearest star, but here it can’t, because it doesn’t have one. Instead, it names a star beyond.

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So, how far out are you? The ‘nursery areas’ where new players are spawned seem to run between 700 and 750 light years from the center. I would guess that you don’t have to go much past that to reach ‘no one goes here’ territory. Is there room for ‘community territory’ between the nursery zone and where the map starts to collapse?

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Interesting because you seem to be on the edge of one of the galaxy ‘arms’ but not really at the very edge. I guess each arm has its own edge rather than a edge that runs around the galaxy as a whole…maybe that is understandable…not sure how else to explain it. :grin:
and it is over 1mil LY from the center of the galaxy so a very long way from the Traveller birth zone
At any rate it seems you are seeing the edge of that particular arm. There is another arm beyond that but with a big void in between.

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According to the map, I’m currently 1,023,000 light years from the galactic centre.

I can’t rememberr the last time I noticed a system that had been claimed by anyone, but it must have been at least 60 -70 jumps back - probably a lot more.

The last time we thought about building a community, we made a mistake. This is a public forum, that anyone can read. We announced the location before we had decided how to organise the thing - and while we were in discussion, people who were not ETARC/CSD members started moving in and grabbing the real estate.

So if people think it’s a good idea to build something for ETARC/CSD out here, I will PM them the portal address of the planet I’m on.

As far as I can tell, everything around here, for dozens of jumps, is undiscovered. People could claim what they like, build where they like.

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If there is, it can’t be navigated in a ship. Once you go into the fog, there are no stars - there’s nowhere to jump to. Even if there were a destination beyond, it would be many orders of magnitude beyond your jump range.

The only way to do it would be by guessing (or calculating) portal addresses.

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I’m already in talks with buyers on the deep web who want the glyphs to troll, I will be our Judas :stuck_out_tongue:

Ah no, we’re not at EVE levels of destroying someones day/week/month/year. And may we never go there.

Living amidst a ghostly fog on the boundaries that’s hard to navigate actually makes perfect sense for a new CSD home.

The Starchain did just receive a fresh batch of new real estate with the purple systems but it becoming a vacation spot for fishing trips and gay cowboys after we establish a new home elsewhere seems a fitting end life for it too.

I’m not sure if the galactic map display is an accurate portrayel of the shape of the galaxy, it might be more so used as a recognisable place holder, since we know what a galaxy should look like.

I imagine it’s more a wonky spherical ball of stars, there’s also no depth to the galactic map so while it might show you on the arm in the picture, you could be way back, below/behind that region somewhere.

Has anyone made an attempt to generate the starfield outside of the game in a viewer that allows you to zoom out but keep all points rendered?

I’m sure if that’s not possible, you could program an AI to fly around the perimeter and use photogrammetry software to build a physical model from the footage…

Im not smart enough to know how to do that I just know it can be done. (I dabbled in photogrammetry/3D Printing during the lockdown using photos from a DSLR so I know the principles, just not the coding an AI to skim the outer rims of a video games galaxy map part of my plan, I can turn the footage into a model no prob)

Please someone say it’s been done or tell someone to do it :stuck_out_tongue: it might take a while but if you have more bots working on different sides it’ll speed things up.

Come on internet, do your thing, take the challenge!!

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It would be fun to find out. Has anyone ever found themselves on the arm further to the left or are we just in a smooth sided bubble?

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OK. What I’ll do is PM the portal address of my base planet to everyone who has responded to this mini-thread. Use it as a jumping-off point for exploration of the area. Please don’t share it, at least not until people have had a chance to decide if they want to use the area.

The planet is huge, and reasonably friendly. By all means build bases on it - there’s room for everyone.

I wasn’t thinking of us starting a Kingdom or an Empire - more of a region we could call our own.

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I’m guessing, but it is based on real observations. I took it into my head to set a more or less straight course from ‘corner to corner’ of the galaxy one time…I think it was SE to NE. The path brought me from one nursery district at about 700 LY from center to another, and at the midpoint I was within 500 LY of center. Whether they line up as depicted on the minimap is hard to say, but the ‘arms and voids’ structure was noticeable. So I’m going to wild guess that there is such structure, and to reach as far out from the center as possible the approach would be to spiral out along an arm, assuming that space more ‘thickly populated’ with stars would be more resistant to dissolving into fog.

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Started here.

Got to here just before the fog rolled in.

Doesn’t look curved.

Lots of fog.

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I have spent a long time out on the outer edges of the galaxie. Much of my NMS time in fact.
I’m not certain but I believe the NMS galaxie star pattern is a squashed donut shape.
I have read it it suggested that galaxie structure is just a big pizza box with curved over edges to blend it a little & a hollow centre.
Both work in my mind.

I developed my own terminology such as TC (Towards Core) & AFC (Away from Core) to refer to my chosen direction of travel. UP & Down are obvious choices as the camera cannot tilt sideways in the galactic map as are Left & Right in relation to a fixed known point, such as a known star or cluster.
The small galaxy symbol in the upper right of the galactic map also highlights your actual position in the galaxy, relative to the equatorial plain of the galaxy.
From @Polyphemus screenshot I can see he is in the deep low area of Alpha quadrant & further out than @temp.

I don’t believe the galaxy has actual arms & suggest that it is just a cool image for the Galactic Map…but I’d love to know this for sure.

Given the pizza box theory I would imagine the furtherest point away from core one could reach would be the top or bottom of the ‘corners’.
Finding a ‘corner’ would be fun venture…

Another theory I have is that the stars are layed out on a 3d cube grid made up of thousands of cubes stacked (much like the image we get of minerals on a ground scan).
Sometimes these randomly line up & that is how we get geometricly recognised patterns like star chains & slices. (Slices/shards are a term we came up with from circling sideways in the galactic map and noticing a series of stars layed out all in alignment but only noticable from a particular angle)
@Sir_oops @toddumptious & myself spent some time exploring a feature like this some years ago.

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Sounds fun!

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Very interesting. I think the obvious question on everyone’s mind is, what sorta topping are you? I’m split between being a pepperoni and a mushroom. Pizza boxes always have loose toppings in em, I imagine the actual pizza’s already been eaten by God or whoever, long ago.

I still get my Nitrogen from there

The Kingdom of the Region Empire it is so :stuck_out_tongue:

ETARC… Empire of Tyrannical Arsehole Ruler C**** ? We could turn heel. Has a community done that yet?

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At the moment I’m struggling a bit. Discourse, the software this forum runs on, won’t let me send the same PM to multiple members. I’m pretty sure this is new, and I’ll find a workaround.

(edit) If you get the PM, let me know - then I can stop struggling.

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There are a fair number of NMS groups running on the “Galactic Empire” shtick. Not my idea of fun.

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And I guess the Discovery Service is still weird. It says I discovered this place…I am leaving everything unclaimed.
I love this space station. It looks like it is a city.

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I haven’t claimed the place - I seldom do. All my multiplayer and sharing is turned off, and my base is not uploaded.

I didn’t find the place or build the base expecting visitors.

I’m not in NMS right now - i’m doing other stuff. In an hour or two I’ll change my multiplayer settings. Feel free to claim the system if you want - I’m not proprietorial about this stuff.

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I’m the same at the moment. PS5.
MP & Crossplay turned on. No claims.
Will upload my little Poly Zone Outpost & just see what happens.
Base is 30 min south of the portal on a hotspot.
Hopefully we don’t overlap

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Have you seen the size of the planet? There’s almost no chance.

If you find you’ve built on my base, I think you should buy a lottery ticket.

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I flew until I found a POI and built near it.

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