So, I do art and stuff - general artistic / creative chat

Thank you for that link. I finally feel like I can give myself permission to be useless (in spite of the flaws in the translation (deliberate or unconscious).
Yes, I finally gave myself time to get around to reading that, but still, thanks!

As an artist/painter I have been viewed as rather useless (to my birth family, society; to all of those who want to make me and other artists into corporate slaves or commodities --the consumers and the consumed) all my life, I have gone my own way, drawing and painting what I need to draw and paint, and to put it mildly, “To hell with them!”. And this is where I believe the phrase “suffering for your art” comes from. A phrase that some use derisively, as if the suffering is feigned by the artist.

If you don’t create art for the consumption of others or for money, you are considered useless. Add to that the fact that it takes as many decades to evolve the skills required to reach one’s full creative potential, unless you were born with a silver spoon in your mouth, and into the ruling classes (corporate or otherwise), you will suffer. And that suffering is not a badge of honour. It just is.

I stopped actively selling my work and taking commissions because it drove me crazy. As creatives, It is difficult to have the time to develop our skills for our own work (which some call self-expression, but I tend to think of as a kind of life affirming communion). People have no problem seeing musicians, dancers, etc as needing that time to become virtuoso. But all artist have to do is splash a bit of paint around like house painters. Even having “talent” doesn’t mean you don’t have to practise to get better at it.

I still sell to friends, and to anyone who is moved by the work, because I paint for myself, and once the piece is done, it is itself, and can be a “product” available for sale. Sometimes it feels like sending your children out into the world; wonderful, exciting, and yet not without trepidation.
I have works of mine in homes around the world, from a few decades ago. Germany, England, Australia, New Zealand, Canada, etc. Many were purchased through a network of friendships as well as from shows. But not one of those were created for the purpose of selling them.
And now my house is bursting at the seams with finished (and unfinished) works, I even had so many piled up on a wooden art print cradle that it collapsed under their weight.

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So lately, I have been working on finding better ways to store the work and to possibly make them available for sale to help keep me out of the “retirement” or old-age home.

To move from philosophy to practicality, I have found, I believe, the brand of paint I need that is most like the Stevenson’s brand that I used for many years.

Stevenson’s was a successful Canadian artists paint company, a family business that produced oil paints using only linseed oil and pigments, no fillers or additives.Their paints had an exquisite luscious and buttery feel and very strong pigmentation. When the founders of the company got too old to continue and no one of their family wanted the job, they sadly for all of us, closed the business. I still have some tubes of their paints from the 1960’s that are as luscious as the day I bought them. The is a little separation of the oil from the pigment (no added stabilizers), mostly in the tube of viridian, but not much, and this can be mixed back in on the palette.

Since I have been struggling with the stickiness of the Gamblin oil paints (some painters love it!), I have continued my search for a simple linseed oil+pigment replacement. this has led me finally to Natural Pigments’ offerings of their Rublev line. I had included them in my original search, but that the time they were not producing the colours I needed for my personal palette. On rediscovering them I learned that they had expanded their offerings, so I braced myself and ordered three tubes of their paint to try out. They come in larger tubes the smallest being 50 ml rather than the usual 35 or 39 ml tubes of other manufacturers of similar quality paints. (The quality of paint is determined by how finely the pigment is ground, the ratio of the pigments, the carrier or medium (oil), and the various additives like stabilizers, dryers, and, as in student grades, chalk and other fillers.) I hope that made sense. The Rublev line is one of only oil and pigment, ,no additives, like Stevenson’s was.

The Rublev paint is fabulous! A joy to paint with. And it is playing well with the Gamblin oils. I am so grateful.

I find that the less I have to struggle with the tools and media, the more exciting it is to get into the studio and just paint. And that goes for brushes, substrates, even easel and palette.
I do mot like taking the time to clean brushes, but it is a necessary evil. I am finding ways to reduce that necessity, including leaving my brushes sitting in oil (once they have been thoroughly wiped off on a paper towel). I have figured out a way to take the pressure off the brush tip that occurs when you leave them tip-down upright in a jar of oil: Not sure how clear this photo is. It is of a pair of food-grade plastic sushi trays, one inside the other for stability, with something taped under one end to tilt it. I poured just enough oil in the bottom end to cover the brush hairs/bristles (I use artist grade safflower oil as it is slower to cure). This keeps the pressure on the brush end from making it go wonky and slaying --especially hard on round brushes. The only thing I would prefer more would to be to have a couple of these made from ceramic or glass.

I think I will made some indentations at the top end to lay the brush handles in more securely when I move the item around the studio. Here is the photo of that little invention.

Now when I finish painting for the day and am too exhausted to clean up, I can wipe off the brushes and lay them safely in the tray to be picked up the next morning, wiped off, and be ready to resume painting immediately.

Well, that’s my essay for this thread today. lol

Happy creating!

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It remembers me Seraphine Louis who created her own colors (with white “Ripolin” wall paint for base) when she was still a domestic worker.
She painted on the floor during night with only a candle. The result isn’t dark at all:
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Oh, that is lovely! :heart: I will look her up, thanks!

I tend to paint in low light (synthetic daylight indoors or in shadow outside) deliberately, as my eyes diffuse light so much that if I paint in full light, my paintings tend to end up much too dark. This is even more of a problem when using acrylics, due to their milky nature right out of the tube that dries about 20% darker when dry.

I also keep the same level and angle of light on my substrate and my palette.

Keeping the light low means that I tend to mix my paints to a lighter value.

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I wonder what this costs? :laughing:
But seriously, please do. Your works are too nice to lay like that. I have had a few get foxed and it really hurts… :weary:

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I want it! :rofl:

I called Mal over to see it and asked him to build one for me. He replied, “Sure! After we build a big enough house it will fit inside.” But he didn’t say “no”… >.>

But seriously, I don’t think there are enough panels on that thing to house all my paintings. When I go, someone is going to need to make a really BIG bonfire! :innocent:

I feel your pain! :open_mouth:
When I think of how hard it is to let them go to a good home, seeing them destroyed must be heartbreaking! :sympathy:
And thank you for your kind words! :heart:

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On the subject of the need for “proper” artist’s materials, lots of prominent artists have used Ripolin house paint in their work. They include Picasso, Sidney Nolan, Kandinsky, Picabia, Joan Miro, Le Corbusier,Ben Nicholson, Jackson Pollock, and Lucian Freud.

It’s worth remembering that historically artists didn’t use oil paint because it was the best. They used it because it was what what they had.

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Woah… sometimes, artists or any creative type who suffer for their art, can sound like gynecologists. You know, “Using the restroom can be hazardous,” “Making love can be deadly…”

Okay, maybe I exaggerate a bit. :grin: But this must be an upper crust thing. Us peons in the middle class, at least in the vast midwest of America, seem to be free to do whatever we want, short of interpretive dance. I was always encouraged by me mum to pursue art. She wanted me to do some landscapes and sunsets, portraits maybe if I was up to it, but I never did, sadly.

And now I could use some of that encouragement, because I’ve become my own worst enemy lately. Nothing is good enough, and as a result, I have three unfinished pieces languishing for lack of attention and enthusiasm. I think the idea might be to do some less ambitious pieces, smaller works, study-art things which wouldn’t be quite so hard to finish. Maybe in watercolor, or watercolor style acrylic, since oils take months to cure properly - my still tarry monster is a candidate for that one year wait - and watercolor seems to be my forte. But I shied away from it because I want some archival quality boards, even for my “silly story art,” and a few reviewers have complained about stuff in stock, and the boards that sound great are out of stock till December. It took me way too long to remember to see if “till” was a legitimate word. English, how it evolves…

But I’m determined to persevere amd MAKE MYSELF PAINT DANG IT this weekend. I only got five hours sleep or so last night, so today might be more of a gaming day, with writing when I feel chipper. Pictures when events warrant. :wink:

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Lucky you! :heart: Mine tried to beat or psyche it out of me. They failed. sort of… For decades I felt like I was a very bad person for continuing my illicit activity; my guilty secret life of being a closet artist. A good dose of therapy (by someone who specializes in working with “creatives”) helped enormously with that. :pensive:

Shall I tell you how many pieces I have left unfinished?
Or how many pieces I have destroyed by continuing to work on them when I should have had the patience to stop and wait?
About half of the throng of paintings choking my home are unfinished. Every once in a while I will dig one out and suddenly, seeing it with fresh eyes, I know what it needs next.

It can be achingly hard to leave them alone, but sometimes our skill level just isn’t up to it and the best thing I have found to do is put them out of sight for days or months and have a peek at them from time to time with fresh eyes and a little more practise under my belt.

Your idea about working on smaller panels is a good one in my opinion. Our skill level improves as much and more on smaller pieces and we can do more of them which also speeds things up.

I remember hearing many pro artists say that you need to paint miles of canvas, or paint 100 smaller ones in order to increase our skill levels. This seems accurate to me, as that is what I have been doing over the last number of years, going back first to at least two years of serious watercolour studies, then a number of years -15 maybe?- acrylics, and now it has been a number of moths of oil painting. And all interspersed with research, and much sketching in inks and watercolours at the same time. But always 3x5-inch panels,and if I’m feeling the hubris natural to our species, an 8x10-inch piece. Sometimes the craving hits me to go larger, and I can’t hold it back, so I make an attempt that appeases the part of me that wants a larger visceral experience. Often those end up turned against the wall for future rises in skill level, or simply fresh eyes.

Very few of those I thought of as “finished” in the sense of frameable gallery-worthy (although others get mad at me for saying so). But lately, after having put them out of sight for years I am beginning to see their worth. They are in fact “Good Enough”. This is especially more noticeable once they have an isolation coat on them, or if they are “oiled out”, or varnished. I have begun to look over some of my small acrylic pieces from a few years ago and find them good enough to pop them in a gallery frame, once the iso’ coat is dry.

Being a painter is so fraught with frustration, especially if one is high strung or impatient, or like me, both! I believe the best thing we can do is to set things up so that our tools, substrates, media, the space we work withing, and the time we arrange to do the work, is as UN-frustrating as possible. The painting process itself is difficult and frustrating enough on it’s own. And that is also one of the reasons I have fought myself to stick to one medium for years, decades.

I don’t know if this can be helpful, but try to be easy on yourself, get on your own side, when your work angers you or frustrates you, put it aside out of sight and begin another. Arrange things so that you can enjoy the process (even when it does frustrate you), Because what’s the point otherwise?

Problem solving is the hallmark of our species (though we don’t always have enough information to do so successfully), and creating art is really, when one comes down to it, a series of larger to smaller steps of problem solving. And it takes huge bites out the one resource we that is definitely finite: Time.

Try to be gentle with yourself and enjoy the process. The only expectations you need to live up to are your own.
And sometimes we have to examine ourselves to see if our expectation are our own or if they belong to someone else who slipped them into our nervous system before we could become conscious that this is not our own voice.

Meh! I don’t know if any of this is helpful. I hear your frustration and resonate with it. Best of luck. I think your plan to go smaller, make small studies is a sound one. :heart:

Please disregard typos. Thank you. :wink:

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I have personally used flower petals, and greenery to paint on used envelopes, Squeezing and smooshing them into the paper with my fingernails to make coloured marks. Of course they faded quickly, and there were no pocket devices with cameras at our plebeian fingertips at the time. :slightly_smiling_face:

There is a dichotomy; a striving to balance our need to paint with the need to have the painting be able to stay around for a while.

The other aspect to this is that since I have painted with almost every type of media out there over more than six decades, tubed oil paint is the one that feels (for me, --others’ mileage will vary) more like an extension of my intent. I feel very fortunate that I am able now save my money over a few months and purchase the media that works best for me.

We have the luxury in our time to experiment with a variety of media, and to find that one that works for us in a way that reduces frustration as much as possible. That goes for tools and substrates as well.

Mural Joe is living master of painting who uses housepaint, too. :star: (check him out on YouTube if you like) I have learned a lot from watching his videos.

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@TravelEcho Thank you for the kind words. :smiling_face_with_three_hearts:

I must be one of those weirdo polymorphs because I kind of sort of feel at home in most of the illustrative media, besides ink and marker - mistakes, mistakes, mistakes! And you should see some of my posts here, 8 or 9 edits!

Oil, acrylic and watercolor each are their own version of dream for me, each with their own treasure box of lovely qualities. I still have a slightly stronger affinity with watercolor for some reason, strangely. I understand why many artists dislike it, because the painting surface itself is a major component of the work, which takes a big part of the toolbox out of an artist’s hands, used to using white paint. But to my amazement, I “got it” one day, and from then on it was the easiest medium to work with, for the most part. You do need a strong white surface, unless you’re going for an effect. I still love brush strokes and textures of thick paints though.

It’s possible, perhaps, maybe, that using Golden Open retarders with acrylics might make them my favorite, and then Golden Opens themselves next year, but we’ll see. In the meantime, writing is easiest of all, so to hell with art—

What am I SAYING?! :scream:

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you mean you’ve never tried that? :joy: I have…in my mind… :sweat_smile:
I must fall somewhere between the two of you. My mother would drag me out of my comfortably secluded room and force me to put all of my talents on display for visiting company. It was a nightmare. She never understood that I did not do these things for the pleasure and entertainment of others. Though I do enjoy the fact that others enjoy what I do. It was never the motivation. I often felt embarrassed. Sometimes for myself and sometimes for my mother. She thought she was building my self-confidence. She never understood that I never lacked in that. She mistook the fact that I was not a bubbly outgoing people-person for a lack of confidence…the two are very different things. I am just not a social butterfly.

Been there…quite often. Then I realize, it is likely my depression kicking in. So I kick it back out of the room and take a deep breath, take a walk, soak in a bubble bath, have a glass of wine and some crackers and maybe some of that really sharp cheddar I love so much and maybe a nap and then, sooner or later, I come back around and get back to work. :laughing: Well, it works for me.

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Try the Welsh Cheddar if you can find any… If you have a Wegman’s near you you might get soem there. Mmmm… sharp! :drooling_face:

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The 10 (-ish) Stages of Painting Creation:

  1. Wheeee! Isn’t this fun! slapping paint on to quickly cover the canvas stage.
  2. oh yeah! coming along nicely, stage! Look at how that urns like a 3D model. The edges and contrasts are leading the eye to the focal area,Just need to lighten those shadows and add some other temperature colours in there.
  3. Hmm… Still need adjust the [insert thing here] Stage
  4. Scrape offending area, start again, stage.
  5. The why-did-I-even-start-this Ugly Stage.
    6 The turn it to the wall stage (three days to 3 years)
  6. The Oh! i can simply adjust this and move that tree, bush, dog, whatever, stage.
  7. Rinse/repeat stages 5-7.
  8. Looking a bit better stage.
  9. Done! stage. May not be finished but it is done!.

I’m at the ugly stage for the third time with this one. lol
(some painters call it the surly teenager stage) :laughing:
Of course I keep having to stop to readjust the lighting and even then everything looks like it is a single value all over. If I ever get to #10, I will post process pics.

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That… sounds an awful lot like coding to me. Without the painting-specific stuff, obviously, but the emotions of the stages are very relatable… :rofl:

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I was going to say, that reminds me of SM describing the stages of game developement. It’s the creative process. That is just how it goes. When everyone locked down last year, I decided to pull out my scrapbooking, glues, scissors, craft papers and make 3D pop- up cards to mail to family and friends. For the most part, I was able to execute my ideas. However, I soon found that some of my ideas were too far away from what I could actually make happen. Quite a lot of un-gluing, moving, cutting down, cutting out, etc…a really ugly mess. That’s when I had to reassess and scale back some of my ideas. In the end, I sent out about 20 unique cards. The creative process…the agony and the ecstacy. :crazy_face:

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amen! When I was first starting out as a painter too many decades ago I loved to paint dragons. (I still do) but I didn’t realise that one had to gain skill to “git gud”. I blamed myself and ended up in a rage and tore many of them to pieces (and cried). Then after a while I began to notice that the pattern kept repeating. That made it a lot easier to get through the ugly stage. (Thank Heavens. Tenacity can be very rewarding).

Do you have any pics of your gorgeous cards? Id love to see one!

Indeed! And try coding procedural visual motion art, like Mal does. So Awesome! but it is the same process for him. The difference is he doesn’t have to find wall space to turn his “Uglies” to while he waits for fresh eyes.(He can just close the file. :laughing:

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You and me both! I know I snapped pics of them but cannot find them…I will keep looking. There is the possibility I deleted them…Just made another yesterday for a 12 year old who is in the hospital. She has cystic fibrosis…
It had balloons that pop-up and I tied string on each one and used lots of tiny candy stickers and put a To Do List sticker on for her to fill out and gave her the task of planning what she wants when she goes home. This is her longest hospital stay to-date. She does not have a lot of time left. :worried:

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So young! That is truly heartbreaking!

What a lovely gift you made for her to keep her mind occupied, :hug:

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Meh, I’m going to change the mood a scouche. This is why I don’t watch the news, it’s all bad or stupid, and makes me worried sick sometimes for this dumb planet run by bad people and idiots.

Interestingly, I had to do a bit of digging to find out the actual spelling of “scouche,” which was how I’d been spelling it for years. While the intranets seemed to agree with me, the actual spelling is *skosh," which to my surprise comes from a Japanese word, sukoshi which has the same meaning, “a little bit,” and pronounced "skoshi. " U.S. servicemen adopted it and whacked off a syllable, as we’re wont to do. I could have sworn it was from some old Gaelic term. But as usual, I digress.

So… I drew a circle, ba dum tsh. :sweat_smile: At least I painted it. I should lay out my stuff crying for my attention… BRB.

Back. I kind of accidentally on purpose caught the edges of two of the pieces, so this is kind of a teaser, but I’m mean that way. I’m vexed by all three of them. I’m thinking of some smaller studies. And to that effect, some goodies showed up the other day. I was going to post yesterday, but time ran off on me. First off is the shot of my center piece on its stand awaiting my attention. And it can darn well wait a bit! My, whatta mess. Below that are my preciouses.

Resting above my watercolor boards and deadly knife are some pretty colored things. These are Charvin water soluble pastels on the right. They’re really small too, but hey, $16 US from Jerry’s. I’m afraid they might be chalky guys, but we’ll see. I’m hoping they’re similar to the Cretacolours. Those are water soluble pencils without any wood, just medium in a lacquer shell, which is really how colored pencils should be made. Maximum use!

So you’d think after buying so much art crap, it’s time to get kracken! Right?

Well, I’m nearing the end of a chapter, so after that’s done I’ll tend to my other bachelorish duties. And this chapter has ended up being a bit of a filler, but you’ll have to bear with me on that. I’m a scouche bit of a closet people person, and when characters spring to life in my fiction like flowers, and sometimes weeds, I like to spend time exploring them, getting to know them and you readers with me, and adding some substance to them. There will be some juicy plottish details and a surprise or two or, and my irrepressible humor, so it should still be a fun read.

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@sheralmyst I got the mess cleaned up. Apparently, the print cradle was mostly glued together, so it is understandable it cracked under the strain. It was meant only for patrons to flip through the giclée (which we pronounce “giggly” instead of “shzee-clay” :smile:) prints of my paintings rather than as a quick storehouse of anything I couldn’t find a better place for.
Here is what the corner looks like now:

That is just inside the front door which is to the left of the left of the table.

And here is two thirds of the contents of the print cradle, spread over the TV room awaiting the space being made for them to be sorted into, in the Studio:

The pieces on the floor are mats with backings in clear sleeves for showing and protecting works on paper, including prints,. I get those from DickBlick’s website.

I am currently moving full cardboard storage boxes from an alcove in the master bedroom, whose contents will ultimately be moved to the finished crawlspace in watertight bins.
Then I will move as many of the frames I have in storage to the alcove and the paintings from the TV room moved into the Studio where the Frames previously resided. Whew! Round and round we spin!

Today, I put that work aside and painted for four hours on my “Ugly Stage” painting. We (the painting and I) are now into the “Working Through” part of our relationship. :grin:

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