# Turing Test Proposals
**URL:** https://forums.atlas-65.com/t/turing-test-proposals/1917
**Category:** Waking Titan Investigation
**Created:** [August 5, 2017, 8:32pm UTC](https://forums.atlas-65.com/t/turing-test-proposals/1917 "2017-08-05T20:32:23Z")
**Posts on this page:** 20
**Page:** 4
### Author:  [@Polyphemus](https://forums.atlas-65.com/u/Polyphemus)
#### Post date: [August 5, 2017, 10:58pm UTC](https://forums.atlas-65.com/t/turing-test-proposals/1917/62 "2017-08-05T22:58:57Z")
Are we making a joint effort at this? Are we making an ETARC submission, or are we just sending in our own ideas individually?
Because if we’re going to make a collective test paper, we need to start collating ideas, and voting on things.
And we need more ideas. Original ones.
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### Author:  [@JoeyST](https://forums.atlas-65.com/u/JoeyST)
#### Post date: [August 5, 2017, 11:01pm UTC](https://forums.atlas-65.com/t/turing-test-proposals/1917/63 "2017-08-05T23:01:47Z")
I sent in 16 questions. 😉
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### Author:  [@BlackIris](https://forums.atlas-65.com/u/BlackIris)
#### Post date: [August 5, 2017, 11:02pm UTC](https://forums.atlas-65.com/t/turing-test-proposals/1917/64 "2017-08-05T23:02:50Z")
As the ETARC CSD one of us could send a joint effort test. Some have already sent their own. It would be cool if ETARC’s test was chosen.
The above list of questions was a start in that direction.
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### Author:  [@Esequiel](https://forums.atlas-65.com/u/Esequiel)
#### Post date: [August 5, 2017, 11:19pm UTC](https://forums.atlas-65.com/t/turing-test-proposals/1917/65 "2017-08-05T23:19:29Z")
I’m more interested in seeing if the potential AI is like Skynet…
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### Author:  [@Polyphemus](https://forums.atlas-65.com/u/Polyphemus)
#### Post date: [August 5, 2017, 11:22pm UTC](https://forums.atlas-65.com/t/turing-test-proposals/1917/66 "2017-08-05T23:22:46Z")
Apart from one, the list of questions I submitted was supposed to work in couplets. There is one question most humans would easily pass, and another, very similar one, that was more morally ambiguous.
In submitting the questions to a computer, you’ve removed half of my questions.
But a crucial part of a successful Turing test is not just trying to identify the computer. Half of the task is to identify the humans. Once you’re fairly sure who the humans are, what’s left is probably computer.
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### Author:  [@BlackIris](https://forums.atlas-65.com/u/BlackIris)
#### Post date: [August 5, 2017, 11:25pm UTC](https://forums.atlas-65.com/t/turing-test-proposals/1917/67 "2017-08-05T23:25:10Z")
@Polyphemus I understood the dual question format. Miksuku was able to reasonably answer the ones I left out.
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### Author:  [@bcatrek](https://forums.atlas-65.com/u/bcatrek)
#### Post date: [August 5, 2017, 11:32pm UTC](https://forums.atlas-65.com/t/turing-test-proposals/1917/68 "2017-08-05T23:32:34Z")
How many questions should there be in the test? Is there a rule or format for that?
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### Author:  [@BlackIris](https://forums.atlas-65.com/u/BlackIris)
#### Post date: [August 5, 2017, 11:33pm UTC](https://forums.atlas-65.com/t/turing-test-proposals/1917/69 "2017-08-05T23:33:54Z")
Suggestions have been between 5 and 10, but some have sent in more.
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### Author:  [@Polyphemus](https://forums.atlas-65.com/u/Polyphemus)
#### Post date: [August 5, 2017, 11:41pm UTC](https://forums.atlas-65.com/t/turing-test-proposals/1917/70 "2017-08-05T23:41:11Z")
There is a long running bet on a computer passing the Turing test [http://www.kurzweilai.net/a-wager-on-the-turing-test-the-rules](http://www.kurzweilai.net/a-wager-on-the-turing-test-the-rules). In that protocol, the examination takes two hours. There is no limit to the questions in that period.
WT have given no indication of what they consider a reasonable number of questions.
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### Author:  [@BlackIris](https://forums.atlas-65.com/u/BlackIris)
#### Post date: [August 5, 2017, 11:41pm UTC](https://forums.atlas-65.com/t/turing-test-proposals/1917/71 "2017-08-05T23:41:32Z")
@Polyphemus For the mentally challenged (ME) if we were actually testing an AI with a Turing Test it would essentially be Ockham’s Razor?
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### Author:  [@Polyphemus](https://forums.atlas-65.com/u/Polyphemus)
#### Post date: [August 5, 2017, 11:50pm UTC](https://forums.atlas-65.com/t/turing-test-proposals/1917/72 "2017-08-05T23:50:58Z")
Ockam’s Razor is a philosophy of the “line of least resistance”. “Entities should not be multiplied unnecessarily” - i.e. the answer that requires the fewest assumptions is probably the correct one.
But in this case, we’re dealing with some very subtle distinctions. Facts and logic are things computers are very good at.
Emotions and human dilemmas, however, are not necessarily logical or factual. And I think that’s the way to go at this point. Consider how an average group of people would feel about a situation. Not clever people, or well-read people. Just ordinary, quirky, idiosyncratic people.
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### Author:  [@BlackIris](https://forums.atlas-65.com/u/BlackIris)
#### Post date: [August 5, 2017, 11:56pm UTC](https://forums.atlas-65.com/t/turing-test-proposals/1917/73 "2017-08-05T23:56:43Z")
I agree. By Ockham’s Razor I kind of meant what I was seeing Miksuku do. She mostly didn’t answer the second part of a 2 part question or side stepped or ignored “emotion” questions. If compared to a human’s answers addressing “emotion” questions and handling 2 part or dual questions would make it possible to identify the AI and the human.
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### Author:  [@kerdorin](https://forums.atlas-65.com/u/kerdorin)
#### Post date: [August 6, 2017, 12:05am UTC](https://forums.atlas-65.com/t/turing-test-proposals/1917/74 "2017-08-06T00:05:20Z")
I agree, an ETARC’s test sounds cool. i will not send a personal one (too tired, 2 AM here) and i think we can use some in the list.
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### Author:  [@Polyphemus](https://forums.atlas-65.com/u/Polyphemus)
#### Post date: [August 6, 2017, 12:06am UTC](https://forums.atlas-65.com/t/turing-test-proposals/1917/75 "2017-08-06T00:06:25Z")
I’ll think up a few more questions.
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### Author:  [@BlackIris](https://forums.atlas-65.com/u/BlackIris)
#### Post date: [August 6, 2017, 12:09am UTC](https://forums.atlas-65.com/t/turing-test-proposals/1917/76 "2017-08-06T00:09:39Z")
You can run them by Miksuku at [http://www.mitsuku.com/](http://www.mitsuku.com/)
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### Author:  [@CloaknBlagger](https://forums.atlas-65.com/u/CloaknBlagger)
#### Post date: [August 6, 2017, 12:10am UTC](https://forums.atlas-65.com/t/turing-test-proposals/1917/77 "2017-08-06T00:10:37Z")
I have been chatting with Miksuku, I find that if I ‘converse’ under the assumption of talking to a real person, and do not try to ‘trip up’ the AI, the AI becomes much easier to spot. The AI handles single questions quite well but small talk soon fails.
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### Author:  [@BlackIris](https://forums.atlas-65.com/u/BlackIris)
#### Post date: [August 6, 2017, 12:14am UTC](https://forums.atlas-65.com/t/turing-test-proposals/1917/78 "2017-08-06T00:14:00Z")
If the AI we are testing is Loop16 (Emily) that line gets blurred. She was pretty convincing.
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### Author:  [@BlackIris](https://forums.atlas-65.com/u/BlackIris)
#### Post date: [August 6, 2017, 12:17am UTC](https://forums.atlas-65.com/t/turing-test-proposals/1917/79 "2017-08-06T00:17:02Z")
@Polyphemus We are running out of time.
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### Author:  [@MrBacon](https://forums.atlas-65.com/u/MrBacon)
#### Post date: [August 6, 2017, 12:18am UTC](https://forums.atlas-65.com/t/turing-test-proposals/1917/80 "2017-08-06T00:18:31Z")
I think it’s too late, correct me if I’m wrong, but, it said 20:00 and I think EST it’s past 20:00? Wish we could have done it though, it was a cool idea.
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### Author:  [@BlackIris](https://forums.atlas-65.com/u/BlackIris)
#### Post date: [August 6, 2017, 12:19am UTC](https://forums.atlas-65.com/t/turing-test-proposals/1917/81 "2017-08-06T00:19:17Z")
20:30 by the reddit post
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