# Tips & Tricks
**URL:** https://forums.atlas-65.com/t/tips-tricks/6521
**Category:** NMS Beyond - Help A Fellow Traveler
**Created:** [August 14, 2019, 11:24am UTC](https://forums.atlas-65.com/t/tips-tricks/6521 "2019-08-14T11:24:06Z")
**Posts on this page:** 20
**Page:** 6
### Author:  [@DevilinPixy](https://forums.atlas-65.com/u/DevilinPixy)
#### Post date: [September 5, 2019, 3:09pm UTC](https://forums.atlas-65.com/t/tips-tricks/6521/117 "2019-09-05T15:09:57Z")
Yes, you could refine oxygen into carbon before, just not a great ratio.
Consider 2 Carbon refines into 1 Condensed Carbon, then add some oxygen to really make it worth your while.
1 Condensed Carbon + 2 Oxygen = 6 Condensed Carbon, which refines back to 12 Carbon.
There are some nice cheap cycles if you take some time to get familiar with them.
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### Author:  [@Mad-Hatter](https://forums.atlas-65.com/u/Mad-Hatter)
#### Post date: [September 5, 2019, 3:35pm UTC](https://forums.atlas-65.com/t/tips-tricks/6521/118 "2019-09-05T15:35:04Z")
> [@PC/Non-VR --Cheated by expensive Drop Pod Module](https://forums.atlas-65.com/t/beyond-pc-non-vr-cheated-by-expensive-drop-pod-module/6624/10):
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> Early on in the game, it’s not really economic to build up your backpack with drop pods. The extra slots from space stations are cheap, but the materials and effort to get a slot from a drop pod are both difficult and expensive. As you gain more backpack slots, however, the space station puchase price increases - up to millions. Then drop pods become much more attractive. As a general rule, drop pods are not nearly as common as they once were. This relative scarcity increases the chance of a s…
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### Author:  [@zsigmond](https://forums.atlas-65.com/u/zsigmond)
#### Post date: [September 5, 2019, 7:54pm UTC](https://forums.atlas-65.com/t/tips-tricks/6521/119 "2019-09-05T19:54:30Z")
Very important when fighting sentinels is
is to shoot the canisters that drop after each fight,
they put your shielding to maximum.
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### Author:  [@Wyo](https://forums.atlas-65.com/u/Wyo)
#### Post date: [September 5, 2019, 8:34pm UTC](https://forums.atlas-65.com/t/tips-tricks/6521/120 "2019-09-05T20:34:11Z")
I didn’t know pirates could attack you on a planet! Has this been there before Beyond? I was just flying around and then I had to fend off 5 or 6 ships. Quite a bit different when you have to avoid the terrain! As I was fighting, I also saw a crashed freighter below.
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### Author:  [@jedidia](https://forums.atlas-65.com/u/jedidia)
#### Post date: [September 5, 2019, 9:20pm UTC](https://forums.atlas-65.com/t/tips-tricks/6521/121 "2019-09-05T21:20:58Z")
The only time this ever happened to me was when they warped in while I was in space, and then followed me into the atmosphere. Never had any pirates starting an attack planet side, neither in beyond nor ever. Might have been a glitch.
And to stay on topic, here’s a tip: An S-class frigate turns out to be a unit-dumping donkey. Can do a two-star mission in its field on its own with one hand behind its back and brings home goods to the tune of 2 million…
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### Author:  [@Mad-Hatter](https://forums.atlas-65.com/u/Mad-Hatter)
#### Post date: [September 5, 2019, 9:57pm UTC](https://forums.atlas-65.com/t/tips-tricks/6521/122 "2019-09-05T21:57:15Z")
> [@jedidia](#):
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> Can do a two-star mission in its field on its own
Thus my small fleets. Easier to get them up to 'S’specs and once there, it’s a good return on your efforts making frigate fuel as you send them out individually or in pairs.
It’s a bit like the intensive farming that started in Atlas Rises… Yes, you can go hard and earn a fortune but really a gradual build up of income increases the game time and lessens grinding.
On a side note since theres no dedicated thread;
Does anyone know how the a b c or s rating on your banner (in the appearance modifier interface) is calculated? I’m _guessing_ it’s the ship you fly but I’m unsure…
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### Author:  [@temp](https://forums.atlas-65.com/u/temp)
#### Post date: [September 5, 2019, 10:15pm UTC](https://forums.atlas-65.com/t/tips-tricks/6521/123 "2019-09-05T22:15:59Z")
Banner - Yes, from the Space Ship.
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### Author:  [@sheralmyst](https://forums.atlas-65.com/u/sheralmyst)
#### Post date: [September 5, 2019, 10:19pm UTC](https://forums.atlas-65.com/t/tips-tricks/6521/124 "2019-09-05T22:19:24Z")
If you are being chased by a pirate in space they will sometimes follow you down to the planet and continue to engage unless you get out of your ship. To me, dog fighting is much more fun in the clouds than in space.
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### Author:  [@Wyo](https://forums.atlas-65.com/u/Wyo)
#### Post date: [September 5, 2019, 11:45pm UTC](https://forums.atlas-65.com/t/tips-tricks/6521/125 "2019-09-05T23:45:16Z")
I had been on the planet a while so it wasn’t that. Curious to see if it was just a glitch or if there was a ‘trick’ to it.
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### Author:  [@Mad-Hatter](https://forums.atlas-65.com/u/Mad-Hatter)
#### Post date: [September 5, 2019, 11:49pm UTC](https://forums.atlas-65.com/t/tips-tricks/6521/126 "2019-09-05T23:49:23Z")
I shot down a couple of baddies who were pickin on me. The one that hit the ground exploded & the other that hit the water looked like it **splashed** … I thought that was a nice touch.
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### Author:  [@toddumptious](https://forums.atlas-65.com/u/toddumptious)
#### Post date: [September 6, 2019, 7:23pm UTC](https://forums.atlas-65.com/t/tips-tricks/6521/127 "2019-09-06T19:23:05Z")
Had this happen to me recently. I can’t remember the exact context, I’ll have to check back on the footage to confirm. But I wasnt on foot exactly, I had just gotten into my ship and was flying towards the clouds when I noticed they’d already breached the atmosphere and were heading straight for me. There was a warning about attack ships but wasn’t the typical scan. I had just loaded in to my save. Its possible there was a freighter spawned in and under attack.
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### Author:  [@Wyo](https://forums.atlas-65.com/u/Wyo)
#### Post date: [September 7, 2019, 9:03pm UTC](https://forums.atlas-65.com/t/tips-tricks/6521/128 "2019-09-07T21:03:16Z")
Just makes we wonder then. I guess we’ll see how often this stuff shows up.
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### Author:  [@jedidia](https://forums.atlas-65.com/u/jedidia)
#### Post date: [September 8, 2019, 12:15pm UTC](https://forums.atlas-65.com/t/tips-tricks/6521/129 "2019-09-08T12:15:19Z")
Wouldn’t you know, shooting jellyfish counts towards exterminate creatures missions 🙂
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### Author:  [@Polyphemus](https://forums.atlas-65.com/u/Polyphemus)
#### Post date: [September 8, 2019, 12:54pm UTC](https://forums.atlas-65.com/t/tips-tricks/6521/130 "2019-09-08T12:54:06Z")
You will often warp into a system, and find a capital ship under attack. If you ignore the attack, and go do something else, the attackers will eventually break off the fight (this can take a while - 30 minutes or so). They don’t disappear, though. They will then wander the system in small groups, looking for other things to attack.
You can sometimes find them attacking smaller freighters. Sometimes you will see them attacking independent frigates.
Sometimes they wander into a planet’s atmosphere. Sometimes, what they find to attack is you.
I’ve only ever seen them attack ships, though. I’ve never seen them attack a traveller or NPC on foot.
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### Author:  [@toddumptious](https://forums.atlas-65.com/u/toddumptious)
#### Post date: [September 8, 2019, 2:36pm UTC](https://forums.atlas-65.com/t/tips-tricks/6521/131 "2019-09-08T14:36:04Z")
I wonder does killing those giant hostile fish count towards predator missions. They never did before but I haven’t checked since before next. I don’t mean the angler fish etc but the discoverable fauna. Although now I’m wondering if the angler fish or the kinda ghost fish that attack you added in abyss will count towards predator missions. 🤔 Guess I’m trying that out later tonight 😃
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### Author:  [@TravelEcho](https://forums.atlas-65.com/u/TravelEcho)
#### Post date: [September 8, 2019, 4:54pm UTC](https://forums.atlas-65.com/t/tips-tricks/6521/132 "2019-09-08T16:54:29Z")
> [@jedidia](#):
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> Wouldn’t you know, shooting jellyfish counts towards exterminate creatures missions
Were they the Abyssal Horrors? Just found some of those… or they found me. 😅
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### Author:  [@jedidia](https://forums.atlas-65.com/u/jedidia)
#### Post date: [September 8, 2019, 6:21pm UTC](https://forums.atlas-65.com/t/tips-tricks/6521/133 "2019-09-08T18:21:27Z")
No, no, I’m talking about the “sentinels of the sea”. You know, the jellyfish that come at you every once in a while because presumably you just mined the rock or plant or salt pillar they had their nest under.
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### Author:  [@toddumptious](https://forums.atlas-65.com/u/toddumptious)
#### Post date: [September 8, 2019, 6:40pm UTC](https://forums.atlas-65.com/t/tips-tricks/6521/134 "2019-09-08T18:40:12Z")
Oh I thought you meant actually jellyfish, that’s great news. Maybe the angler will count for predator kills so 🙂
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### Author:  [@TravelEcho](https://forums.atlas-65.com/u/TravelEcho)
#### Post date: [September 8, 2019, 10:27pm UTC](https://forums.atlas-65.com/t/tips-tricks/6521/135 "2019-09-08T22:27:39Z")
Yes? Those are called Abyssal Horrors. Translucent blue-green jellyfish-like; fairly small. I have found them in the deeps of many worlds. Or, as I said above, they’ve found me. 😅
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### Author:  [@sheralmyst](https://forums.atlas-65.com/u/sheralmyst)
#### Post date: [September 8, 2019, 11:19pm UTC](https://forums.atlas-65.com/t/tips-tricks/6521/136 "2019-09-08T23:19:09Z")
Funny this should be the topic today cause guess what just popped out of a rock I was mining…
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